Copper and Bronze is way too much effort for what it's worth.

[Ded]

It's not difficult, it just takes a frustratingly long amount of time.
Firs you need to find copper nodes. Once you find a node, it takes between 5-10 swings with the Antler Pickaxe to break it. Then once it's broken, you have what feels like a 70% chance to get nothing but stone. When you do get copper, it's only ever 1-2 pieces at a time, and your antler axe can only break maybe 5 copper 'nodes' before you have to repair it. Then you can only carry a max of 30 ore, likely less before you run out of weight, meaning you have to constantly run back or have a wagon handy.
Tin is fine, you seem to get plenty and it's not too annoying to get.
Then when you get your ore, you have to actually smelt and craft it. First you need the smelter and charcoal kiln, both of which require magic dungeon cores for some reason, and then you need to fill the kiln up with wood to get charcoal, then the smelter up with charcoal and ore to get your finished bars.
The problem with this is that they only produce one thing at a time, and each time it produces something it takes like thirty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ seconds. For bronze, you need two copper and one tin bar to make, so for EACH bronze bar, you have to, assuming you already have the ore ready:
1. Produce six charcoal at 30 seconds each, or 3 minutes.
2. Smelt your copper and tin at 30 seconds each, or 1 minute 30 seconds.
Luckily you can do them both at the same time so it's not quite that bad, but you're still talking like 3 minutes PER bronze bar.
Then we need to look at how much bronze you need. Per person, you ideally need:
15 bronze bars for a full set of bronze armour. 8 bronze for the bronze axe. 10 bronze for the bronze pickaxe. Another 10 bronze for the bronze buckler. Then what about weapons? Well they're 8 bronze each. Then there's bronze nails needed for wagons.
So you're looking at, per person, AT LEAST 51 (and most likely more than that) bronze bars.
That's over TWO AND A HALF HOURS just waiting for the ores to smelt. PER PLAYER.
Considering I've been told iron is far easier and far quicker to get, smelt and craft with, isn't the bronze grind a bit too steep?

[Hammer O'Malley]

I think there may be some adjustments to the ore process. It takes the longest to gather bronze for very little benefit other than getting everything ready for the iron tier. Iron is super easy to get compared to bronze and way better. Even upgrading is easier than bronze.

I am fine with how long it takes its part of the immersion. I do believe that iron needs a little longer to make. I enjoy the making of supply lines and building roads. There is a trick though to "teleport the metal". Load up with as much as u can carry. Have two saved worlds loaded next to a box. Just load into one world, unload metal, then go back to old world and run back to base next to the smelter or box, go back to the world where u saved the metal in the box and then take it and load back into the world where u are next to the smelter or metal storage.....just saved you a 10 min death run.

[BirdFeeder]

I think the idea about the difficulty of obtaining ores is, as a friend quoted, to make it feel like an achievement when you load all those sweet ores on your viking boat and sail home like a king.

But personally i agree. Its just tedious, you cant carry more than like 10 ores at a time realistically without walking like you're depressed and it's annoying generally. What we did was craft 5 melters and then just load all ores in every dungeon/area into one chest, have 1 ally log into another world, put it in a chest, go back to online world, go through portal, go back to private world, get ores, go back to online world and melt it.

Very annoying process no matter if you do it the legit or the unlegit way.

[Lord Lurk]

Yeah, the bronze grind is a huge difference compared to the other ores, especially the endgame ore. Your best bet is to make more furnaces/smelters and build a base right in the black forest near a bunch of copper nodes, saves you a *ton* of time moving it about and enemies do not spawn next to player structures, so as long as you sleep at night it's very, very manageable before you get bronze anything.

[Ded]

Originally posted by Tamm:

Originally posted by Ded:

That's over TWO AND A HALF HOURS just waiting for the ores to smelt. PER PLAYER.

Shocking news: you may construct more smelters and reduce your smelting time drastically.
There is not a single part in this game casuals did not ♥♥♥♥♥ about. Meh...

So? Even if you make a smelter and kiln for each player, that's still two and a half hours per player. Talking about casuals and you can't even read.

[Dropdeadfred]

Sleep at night. The processing still happens.

[Man Cub™]

Originally posted by Tamm:

Originally posted by Ded:

That's over TWO AND A HALF HOURS just waiting for the ores to smelt. PER PLAYER.

Shocking news: you may construct more smelters and reduce your smelting time drastically.
There is not a single part in this game casuals did not ♥♥♥♥♥ about. Meh...

I think it's worth mentioning that a better tier, iron, does not have such stringent requirements. So why is bronze so tedious? Just because? That's a bad reason.

[Dropdeadfred]

Originally posted by Man Cub™:

Originally posted by Tamm:

Shocking news: you may construct more smelters and reduce your smelting time drastically.
There is not a single part in this game casuals did not ♥♥♥♥♥ about. Meh...

I think it's worth mentioning that a better tier, iron, does not have such stringent requirements. So why is bronze so tedious? Just because? That's a bad reason.

Please look up how Bronze is created. That should answer your question.

[Ghostlight]

I see a crossroads ahead. A decent developer will nerf the bronze processing time to bring it in line with iron. While a bad dev will buff the iron processing time to bring it in line with bronze. Let's see....

[Ded]

Originally posted by Dropdeadfred:

Originally posted by Man Cub™:

I think it's worth mentioning that a better tier, iron, does not have such stringent requirements. So why is bronze so tedious? Just because? That's a bad reason.

Please look up how Bronze is created. That should answer your question.

That's a bad excuse. No-where do I recall seeing that you need Surtling Cores to make Smelters and Charcoal Kilns in real life, or that there's a giant Tree of Life holding up the sky. It's a video game. It can play loose with the realism.

[Tam]

Originally posted by Man Cub™:

I think it's worth mentioning that a better tier, iron, does not have such stringent requirements. So why is bronze so tedious? Just because?

Because thats how broze is being made ? Alloy of tin and copper ?

[Serina]

Tbh, I skipped most of the bronze (crafted bronze axe, pick, mace and sword) and went straight to iron Only gathered enough bronze for upgrades, cultivator, cart and Karve. Iron felt a lot more rewarding after having smelted my first iron ingots and learning all the new and exciting recipes.

Bronze felt like "Ohh nice, new recipes". Iron for me was more like "Awesome! I need all these new items. Must farm more iron!" type of reaction.

If you haven't reached that point yet, hopefully you find iron a lot more rewarding to farm ^.^

Edit: Also, I have multiple smelters and charcoal kilns. I load everything up and then go do something else like tend to my farm while my ingots and coals are being processed.

[Ric]

Just think yourself lucky that the devs didn't go for the more historically accurate ratio of 8:1 Copper:Tin.

Then you guys really would have something to moan about :)

[Old Man Gibb]

Copper is easy... you mine the ground completely around and under it, physics will bring the entire node down. Takes about a quarter of the time to mine it.

[Memorizzi]

guess this dude would play factorio with only one smelter xD

[Gopher]

I think the biggest issue is Iron is just way too easy. The creatures in there can't walk past even a small amount of muddy puddles on the ground so you can just peg them with arrows. I think there needs to be some more variation in enemies in the black forest. I get tired of greydwarfs