Cheating

[Dahanamo]

It may sound a bit sad and naive, but why is cheating allowed in this game??

I was really enjoying playing the game until I realised there was a cheat command. I felt like a huge part of the enjoyment of the game came from the satisfaction of putting in the time, playing properly, discovering and building things and progressing as the game was meant to be played? It's completely stripped of all of that knowing that people can just cheat and skip their way ahead to getting everything really quickly. It's not as impressive otherwise, and takes away the sense of achievement and satisfaction you get from grinding to get the advanced stuff.. regardless of single player or online.

[Dahanamo]

Originally posted by Hamster wheel powered legends:

Originally posted by Dahanamo:

You have a weird sense of sound.

Not my fault that this post sound stupid as that.

No, you just don't understand my point. Sorry about that.

[Voss]

But thats for singleplayer, as im reading it wont work in multiplayer? when it comes to give skills unless the player using a cheat outside the game.

[hi friends]

Originally posted by Dahanamo:

Originally posted by Hamster wheel powered legends:

Not my fault that this post sound stupid as that.

No, you just don't understand my point. Sorry about that.

That makes two of us.

[Wariat117]

Originally posted by Stinky:

But thats for singleplayer, as im reading it wont work in multiplayer? when it comes to give skills unless the player using a cheat outside the game.

clients on MP can't use vanilla cheat commands (host can use them)
clients can go to singleplayer, cheat, return to MP <- I think they talk about this

[Raeyne]

?? Then don't use them. I get your point but it doesn't make sense. This feature is here for a reason and it's primarily for debugging. Like someone mentioned, a server admin or developer needs access to these in case someone loses their gear, something goes array with the world, etc. And you completely just wrote this off and continued to insist it shouldn't exist. This isn't even remotely comparable to CS:GO. This is not a competitive multiplayer. It's a survival. Minecraft also has a creative mod/cheat engine. For the exact same reasons. It's optional and exists for multiple reasons. And that aside, if someone wants to use it to take advantage of the game and get ahead fast... how does knowing that ruin the experience for you? Knowing someone you'll never talk to, never interact with, never know in your entire life, is using the cheat engine on Valheim to speedrun the game.... uhm. Oh no?

So to reiterate, it's there for a good reason. Should server capacity increase, the need for it will increase. People who run servers need access to this feature and I don't know what you expect them to do if they have to ask for some kind of special permission from devs for it and then have it removed so most players can't access it. Even solo players are bound to run into bugs and it's just easier to have access to it just in case so you don't get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over enormously.

[Karax]

There was another post identical to this one, about a guy claiming the game was ruined for him because of cheats etc....now that guy was trolling but you sound genuinely distraught, which is plain funny to me.

Like every other game ever made has some sort of cheats/console commands built in for debugging, and its especially true in the case of EA games, hence, I can barely take you seriously in this post.

If you dont like playing games because there are cheats in them (which is the case for 99% of games), dont play I guess?

[Gamer Mickey]

Originally posted by Stinky:

But thats for singleplayer, as im reading it wont work in multiplayer? when it comes to give skills unless the player using a cheat outside the game.

It does work in multiplayer but you have to be a server admin. Exactly the same thing as a similar game called Conan Exiles, it does its cheats the same way.

[Voss]

Originally posted by Wariat117:

Originally posted by Stinky:

But thats for singleplayer, as im reading it wont work in multiplayer? when it comes to give skills unless the player using a cheat outside the game.

clients on MP can't use vanilla cheat commands (host can use them)
clients can go to singleplayer, cheat, return to MP <- I think they talk about this

ah, i thought op meant on current server the persons in. but admin could easily kick and ban that person if thats against the server rules. but what would be if admin found out.
But in order to fix it then migratoins between servers shouldnt be allowed.

[Stummies]

Always funny when someone complains about cheats in game... not that they use them, but that other people could. While no impact to them, just knowing someone out there could be cheating ruins their day. It's like the Karen of video games.

[Gamer Mickey]

Originally posted by Dahanamo:

Originally posted by Gamer Mickey:

My understanding is that the "cheat" commands as you call them, are there for the people that need them. Namely server admins who might be replacing people's lost gear after a server migration to a different provider, as well as the devs when they need to spawn in something to test it rather than trekking across the map to do it when they don't have time due to an extremely busy schedule.

If you don't want to use them, don't press F5 and enable them. It's literally that simple.

You're completely missing my point.

I didn't miss your point, you're basically whinging that some people will use the cheats to get in front of where you are in the game like this game is a race to the finish or something, which is the most ridiculous thing I've read about Valheim so far.

Maybe relax a little and just play the game? Holy moly.

[Wariat117]

Originally posted by Stinky:

Originally posted by Wariat117:

clients on MP can't use vanilla cheat commands (host can use them)
clients can go to singleplayer, cheat, return to MP <- I think they talk about this

ah, i thought op meant on current server the persons in. but admin could easily kick and ban that person if thats against the server rules. but what would be if admin found out.
But in order to fix it then migratoins between servers shouldnt be allowed.

then people would just use mods and cheat while being on server, so no difference :D
just pain in the ass of people who transfer their characters to new worlds for more resources and do it legit

[Dahanamo]

Originally posted by Roabie:

?? Then don't use them. I get your point but it doesn't make sense. This feature is here for a reason and it's primarily for debugging. Like someone mentioned, a server admin or developer needs access to these in case someone loses their gear, something goes array with the world, etc. And you completely just wrote this off and continued to insist it shouldn't exist. This isn't even remotely comparable to CS:GO. This is not a competitive multiplayer. It's a survival. Minecraft also has a creative mod/cheat engine. For the exact same reasons. It's optional and exists for multiple reasons. And that aside, if someone wants to use it to take advantage of the game and get ahead fast... how does knowing that ruin the experience for you? Knowing someone you'll never talk to, never interact with, never know in your entire life, is using the cheat engine on Valheim to speedrun the game.... uhm. Oh no?

So to reiterate, it's there for a good reason. Should server capacity increase, the need for it will increase. People who run servers need access to this feature and I don't know what you expect them to do if they have to ask for some kind of special permission from devs for it and then have it removed so most players can't access it. Even solo players are bound to run into bugs and it's just easier to have access to it just in case so you don't get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over enormously.

Then leave the feature for just that, debugging. I'm referring more to the flying, teleportation, kill everything, god mode, kill everything, etc. as opposed to dealing with glitches, etc.

[Voss]

Originally posted by Wariat117:

Originally posted by Stinky:

ah, i thought op meant on current server the persons in. but admin could easily kick and ban that person if thats against the server rules. but what would be if admin found out.
But in order to fix it then migratoins between servers shouldnt be allowed.

then people would just use mods and cheat while being on server, so no difference :D
just pain in the ass of people who transfer their characters to new worlds for more resources and do it legit

but external cheats the devs cant do anything about, op is talking about console commands.

[my name is john]

Originally posted by Gamer Mickey:

Originally posted by Dahanamo:

You're completely missing my point.

I didn't miss your point, you're basically whinging that some people will use the cheats to get in front of where you are in the game like this game is a race to the finish or something, which is the most ridiculous thing I've read about Valheim so far.

Maybe relax a little and just play the game? Holy moly.

It's like people getting mad at players making things in creative mode on Mc because they can't do the same things in survival. It's not cheating, it's creative mode for valheim.

[Gamer Mickey]

Originally posted by Dahanamo:

Originally posted by Roabie:

?? Then don't use them. I get your point but it doesn't make sense. This feature is here for a reason and it's primarily for debugging. Like someone mentioned, a server admin or developer needs access to these in case someone loses their gear, something goes array with the world, etc. And you completely just wrote this off and continued to insist it shouldn't exist. This isn't even remotely comparable to CS:GO. This is not a competitive multiplayer. It's a survival. Minecraft also has a creative mod/cheat engine. For the exact same reasons. It's optional and exists for multiple reasons. And that aside, if someone wants to use it to take advantage of the game and get ahead fast... how does knowing that ruin the experience for you? Knowing someone you'll never talk to, never interact with, never know in your entire life, is using the cheat engine on Valheim to speedrun the game.... uhm. Oh no?

So to reiterate, it's there for a good reason. Should server capacity increase, the need for it will increase. People who run servers need access to this feature and I don't know what you expect them to do if they have to ask for some kind of special permission from devs for it and then have it removed so most players can't access it. Even solo players are bound to run into bugs and it's just easier to have access to it just in case so you don't get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over enormously.

Then leave the feature for just that, debugging. I'm referring more to the flying, teleportation, kill everything, god mode, kill everything, etc. as opposed to dealing with glitches, etc.

Why are you so concerned about what other people do in their game? Stop judging others and get a grip. Take a chill pill.