D&D

[Redtail]

This would make a great platform for a D&D based game.

[Kyutaru]

I mean fire magic and ice magic is in the game code too. Right now only the enemy mobs use them.

[daggaz]

Not really. DnD is a turn-based, grid-based game with a strict action economy. Valheim provides the exact opposite of those things.

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by daggaz:

Not really. DnD is a turn-based, grid-based game with a strict action economy. Valheim provides the exact opposite of those things.

Baldur's Gate. Chronicles of Mystara. Real-time D&D has been a thing for a long time. D&D is a system and setting rather than a specific set of game mechanics as the multiple editions that are nothing like each other even shows.

[mafilux]

I don't think so either, but I could see roleplaying servers popping up eventually.

[mafilux]

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Originally posted by daggaz:

Not really. DnD is a turn-based, grid-based game with a strict action economy. Valheim provides the exact opposite of those things.

Baldur's Gate. Chronicles of Mystara. Real-time D&D has been a thing for a long time. D&D is a system and setting rather than a specific set of game mechanics as the multiple editions that are nothing like each other even shows.

Baldur's gate is turn based, you can just play it in real time if you wish (every thing operates on a 6 second loop timer like in the actual rules) and Mystara is a beat-em-up, not an action game. Sure D&D could make a good action game, but half the fun of the system is strategical combat.

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by mafilux:

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Baldur's Gate. Chronicles of Mystara. Real-time D&D has been a thing for a long time. D&D is a system and setting rather than a specific set of game mechanics as the multiple editions that are nothing like each other even shows.

Baldur's gate is turn based, you can just play it in real time if you wish (every thing operates on a 6 second loop timer like in the actual rules) and Mystara is a beat-em-up, not an action game. Sure D&D could make a good action game, but half the fun of the system is strategical combat.

Okay. What about this?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/206480/Dungeons__Dragons_Online/

[mafilux]

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Originally posted by mafilux:

Baldur's gate is turn based, you can just play it in real time if you wish (every thing operates on a 6 second loop timer like in the actual rules) and Mystara is a beat-em-up, not an action game. Sure D&D could make a good action game, but half the fun of the system is strategical combat.

Okay. What about this?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/206480/Dungeons__Dragons_Online/

That's an MMO, also not an action game, and a flop of an MMO at that.

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by mafilux:

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Okay. What about this?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/206480/Dungeons__Dragons_Online/

That's an MMO, also not an action game, and a flop of an MMO at that.

It is very much an action game, I don't think you've played it. It was not a flop either, it was one of the top played MMOs when it was born. Perhaps you'd be more interested in this OTHER D&D action MMO which regularly breaks income records and is still heavily populated.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/109600/Neverwinter/

TL:DR - D&D works just fine in real time and has been done several times now.

[mafilux]

This isn't about it working in real-time, this is about it working in Valheim. Neverwinter, again, is an MMO, not an Action-Survival game like Valheim. I've never even thought about D&D while playing Valheim, let alone making an entire setting revolving around it.

[mafilux]

Just as an addendum, outside of the writing the first two Baldur's Gate games aged like cheese, where combat lasts minutes at a time of just misses. They aren't much fun to play anymore.

[daggaz]

Maybe im just old school or old or whatever, but running around with a sword killing illithids under a big DnD banner doesnt actually make it DnD. Its just riding the theme, but the GAME you are playing is an entirely different beast.

That kind of detail is important imho, or whats the point of naming anything in the first place.

Agree. Those MMOs are definitely not DnD.

[mafilux]

Originally posted by daggaz:

Maybe im just old school or old or whatever, but running around with a sword killing illithids under a big DnD banner doesnt actually make it DnD. Its just riding the theme, but the GAME you are playing is an entirely different beast.

That kind of detail is important imho, or whats the point if naming anything in the first place.

Yeah this is where I'm heading I think, with this, too. Valheim is clearly inspired by a certain theme. I understand D&D (particularly 5e) is like the 'swiss army knife' of TTRPGs, but it really doesn't need to be injected into everything remotely similar.

As I said above, I still expect some roleplaying servers to pop up, D&D related or not.

[RasaNova]

Are we really debating whether or not D&D can be real time or not?

But staying on topic - I agree that Valheim could be a great base for a fantasy RPG, but maybe not D&D. Dungeons and Dragons is VERY stat and class based. Physical attributes, armor class, modifiers etc none of that exists in Valheim. There is very limited framework for magic, which pretty much boils down to "X projectile magic attack does Y" or "Potion A gives buff B"

So yeah I'm sure they could put a LOT of work into beefing up the code but I don't know that it would be worth it. But a fantasy RPG with sailing and learn-by-doing skills... Hell yeah.

[Redtail]

Wow, what have I started.

[mafilux]

Originally posted by Redtail:

Wow, what have I started.

An interesting discussion xP