Vikings w/o dual wield?

[Ankara Kontu]

guys c'mon, this game is awesome and shieldwall our favorite war style but sometimes, somebody want to be berserkir? or Ulfhednar?

[Pitchforque]

Ah yes, so common opinion is that dual wield isn't realistic enough for this game. Good thing I was using a shield when I killed that resurrected goblin spirit inhabiting a giant skeleton who could cause meteors to materialize in the sky.

[Yogg-Pepe]

they dont even have oars for the raft/boats and you think they will add dual wield? mate the only thing that will happen is the hardcore player coming here and tell you that your post is stupid because any QoL change is gonna ruin their game,even though they dont even have to use that change but anyway.

[Wyrlish]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Trakehner:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Fobloahon:

guys c'mon, this game is awesome and shieldwall our favorite war style but sometimes, somebody want to be berserkir? or Ulfhednar?

Ah! Run out of stamina 4 times faster. Sounds awesome.

That way we can have 4 times the amount of "Death penalty ♥♥♥" threads. Sounds amazing.

[TheTool]

Tonfa weapons, otherwise known as the tong fa or tuifa, are a traditional Okinawan fighting weapon used for blocking and striking. Though they are historically described as the descendent of the police baton, unlike police nightsticks, martial arts tonfas are often wielded in pairs.

[Ankara Kontu]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Trakehner:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Fobloahon:

guys c'mon, this game is awesome and shieldwall our favorite war style but sometimes, somebody want to be berserkir? or Ulfhednar?

Ah! Run out of stamina 4 times faster. Sounds awesome.

mmmm and what about warcry at dual wield for %50 stamina gain? :p

[retroquark]

XD the closest you get to someone in the Icelandic sagas (...that are set in a time before honor-duels/entertainment duels (Holmgang) and duels to the death (Einvig) was outlawed in the 1000s) -- carrying two offensive weapons, is if they threw the spear, shifted the main weapon to the free hand, and then had a second man give them a shield right afterwards. That people would go through several shields in a duel is mentioned. But it's mentioned that more than one fighter lost their shield and then, occasionally, won the duel without it. And an interesting bit is that it seems to have been common to carry a sword and a sax. Or a longer stabbing-spear (atgeir - a spear with a side-mounted blade) and a short scramsax. Gunnar in Njål's Saga does at one desperate moment wield a sword and his atgeir at the same time, stabbing at the people surrounding him as they come close. Which then doesn't work out, of course, even though he's an extremely skilled and fit fighter.

And you could probably make an informed observation about how even soliders commonly or customarily wearing two blades, in any amount of historical references, never used both blades at the same time. Axe and sword, then? It's never mentioned as much as a single instance of it. And if you try it yourself, you'll see why. For any half-competent swordsman, you would drop that axe and focus on the point of your sword. Otherwise you'd hack your own arms off sooner than anything else.

Two axes, then, like short hook-swords? Not very likely either, because the hewing is inhibited by your off-hand, and it puts you off balance to use the second weapon. And you're not actually trying to wrestle anyone close enough to cut them or swipe them with the blade of the axe, you're trying to hew someone at the range of the weapon. It's arguably also not the case that hook-swords were ever used outside of exhibitions - which makes sense, because it is extremely difficult to wield anything two-handed. It would be a tremendous feat to show off, of course - but anyone with any level of sword-skill would likely drop the second weapon if they had one good sword, or you would have any reach at all with one axe - in any kind of real combat. It'd be better defense, and better offense. It'd make no sense to handicap yourself with a second one. Fighting equally well with each hand: extremely useful. But at the same time: no. Guarding with an off-hand axe? I'll dare you to try blocking just training swords that way - it doesn't work.

Meanwhile, there are lots of descriptions in the sagas of people using an axe or a sword two-handed, or supporting the blow with a second, free hand. One of my favourite stories has a guy who wears a partial chain shirt with a longer sleeve on the shield arm for defense, but no shield. And he is doing that on account of being extremely skilled in combat (which means he survives tons of duels with wounds that are somehow not fatal, apparently by sheer luck).

Dual-wielding doesn't work. It's ridiculous, even in defense, and you'd be risking cutting your own arms off at the first contact with an opponent. Hacking twice as many times is stupid, even for video-game logic. The whole "haha, I deflected your sword-blow with one sword, so I can now stab you with the other" probably sprouts from a kind of theater-choreography logic that already assumes the theater fight is not stylized in the first place. In practice, it's not slow to deflect and stab in the same play. And if you were being thrown a wide enough blow to be able to catch it with a blade - why would you commit full weight to the block with one hand rather than just avoid it and make your own play sooner? Or "locking" an opponents blade with two swords? You've just locked both your own arms and opened your chest, while the opponent is free.

Dual-wielding doesn't work. It's so ridiculous it should disappear, and not turn up again, for obvious reasons, even in fantasy-combat.

You may send death-threats to my home-address now.

[Baka Mitai]

Diposting pertama kali oleh retroquark:

XD the closest you get to someone in the Icelandic sagas (...that are set in a time before honor-duels/entertainment duels (Holmgang) and duels to the death (Einvig) was outlawed in the 1000s) -- carrying two offensive weapons, is if they threw the spear, shifted the main weapon to the free hand, and then had a second man give them a shield right afterwards. That people would go through several shields in a duel is mentioned. But it's mentioned that more than one fighter lost their shield and then, occasionally, won the duel without it. And an interesting bit is that it seems to have been common to carry a sword and a sax. Or a longer stabbing-spear (atgeir - a spear with a side-mounted blade) and a short scramsax. Gunnar in Njål's Saga does at one desperate moment wield a sword and his atgeir at the same time, stabbing at the people surrounding him as they come close. Which then doesn't work out, of course, even though he's an extremely skilled and fit fighter.

And you could probably make an informed observation about how even soliders commonly or customarily wearing two blades, in any amount of historical references, never used both blades at the same time. Axe and sword, then? It's never mentioned as much as a single instance of it. And if you try it yourself, you'll see why. For any half-competent swordsman, you would drop that axe and focus on the point of your sword. Otherwise you'd hack your own arms off sooner than anything else.

Two axes, then, like short hook-swords? Not very likely either, because the hewing is inhibited by your off-hand, and it puts you off balance to use the second weapon. And you're not actually trying to wrestle anyone close enough to cut them or swipe them with the blade of the axe, you're trying to hew someone at the range of the weapon. It's arguably also not the case that hook-swords were ever used outside of exhibitions - which makes sense, because it is extremely difficult to wield anything two-handed. It would be a tremendous feat to show off, of course - but anyone with any level of sword-skill would likely drop the second weapon if they had one good sword, or you would have any reach at all with one axe - in any kind of real combat. It'd be better defense, and better offense. It'd make no sense to handicap yourself with a second one. Fighting equally well with each hand: extremely useful. But at the same time: no. Guarding with an off-hand axe? I'll dare you to try blocking just training swords that way - it doesn't work.

Meanwhile, there are lots of descriptions in the sagas of people using an axe or a sword two-handed, or supporting the blow with a second, free hand. One of my favourite stories has a guy who wears a partial chain shirt with a longer sleeve on the shield arm for defense, but no shield. And he is doing that on account of being extremely skilled in combat (which means he survives tons of duels with wounds that are somehow not fatal, apparently by sheer luck).

Dual-wielding doesn't work. It's ridiculous, even in defense, and you'd be risking cutting your own arms off at the first contact with an opponent. Hacking twice as many times is stupid, even for video-game logic. The whole "haha, I deflected your sword-blow with one sword, so I can now stab you with the other" probably sprouts from a kind of theater-choreography logic that already assumes the theater fight is not stylized in the first place. In practice, it's not slow to deflect and stab in the same play. And if you were being thrown a wide enough blow to be able to catch it with a blade - why would you commit full weight to the block with one hand rather than just avoid it and make your own play sooner? Or "locking" an opponents blade with two swords? You've just locked both your own arms and opened your chest, while the opponent is free.

Dual-wielding doesn't work. It's so ridiculous it should disappear, and not turn up again, for obvious reasons, even in fantasy-combat.

You may send death-threats to my home-address now.

Why would people send you death threats for being wrong?

[Pepsu]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cooperal:

Have you seen a photo of a real viking holding things with both hands at the same time? Didn't think so.

I'm pretty sure that vikings did not have cameras back in the days

[Cyseal]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Weaver:

No. That's movie nonsense not real life just like dual wielding guns. The only weapons that saw any real use being dual wielded were ones where the offhand weapon was primarily used for defensive purposes, usually a smaller blade.

I've seen SO many thunder deer back in my day as a Viking, when I was fighting against poisonous oozes and skeletons... I'm glad they made THAT realistic and didn't turn that into movie nonsense. Imagine someone actually using two weapons at the same time... HAH!

[Baka Mitai]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cyseal:

I've seen SO many thunder deer back in my day as a Viking, when I was fighting against poisonous oozes and skeletons...

Good times, man. Don't forget when you could just have a swig of mead to protect you against meteorites thrown at you by a giant lich for 10 minutes!

[N0ma13]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Weaver:

Diposting pertama kali oleh N0ma13:

Looks cool though. Impractical af of course but aesthetic af as well.

Looks cool? It's the medieval equivalent of holding two rifles at this once...sideways. It looks stupid as crap with even basic knowledge. It looks "dumbass who doesn't know how to use a weapon". Might as well have a guy holding an axe by the blade and go "that's so cool!"

You can be the world's leading expert in medieval weaponry and still think something looks cool.
In this particular topic, I'ma guess the majority of people who play games think it looks cool.
Hence, still a common thing in games.
Sells in movies, so it's included in movies. Sells in games, so it's included in games.

I don't even like the two handed weapons in this game and don't think I'd like dual wielding in it, sword/board all the way. But yeah I would def get some smexy screenshots with them.

[Scrappy Crow]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Weaver:

No. That's movie nonsense not real life just like dual wielding guns. The only weapons that saw any real use being dual wielded were ones where the offhand weapon was primarily used for defensive purposes, usually a smaller blade.

This guy must think teleporters and dragons are more realistic than a guy using two axes

[Hotaka]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cooperal:

Have you seen a photo of a real viking holding things with both hands at the same time? Didn't think so.

I'm pretty sure they weren't fighting trolls either...

[Bunker]

meat in one hand, sausage in the other.
no room for weapons

[Shortpower]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Hotaka:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cooperal:

Have you seen a photo of a real viking holding things with both hands at the same time? Didn't think so.

I'm pretty sure they weren't fighting trolls either...

Or having their photos taken