Why does Lox Pie suck so badly?

[GrimHumor]

So, I’m the kinda cook on my server. I make food for everyone and they bring me back ingredients from their travels. But, feeding all my friends is demanding and so I set out to do a little research on what foods were the cheapest to craft with the best return … and I found some pretty BIG flaws.

First off… I started to notice that materials required to craft different items was all over the place. Most take 4 but one takes 16 … I also noticed that most things only give you 1 finished product while something like Sausage gives 4 per craft.]

Then I got into the stats and boy…they are ALL over the place. Lox meat cooked over a camp fire is better than sausage … but only 10 points below Low Pie. So then I REALLY got into the numbers. First I thought, well maybe it has to do with the stats of the materials used to craft the item, but I blew that out of the water. Also there are some ingredients that don’t even have food stats to begin with … so I thought, well maybe those items just have some general base value they add to the dish…Nope, also had no bearing. There appears to be no rhyme or reason to what you put vs what you get out, it’s random based loosely on how hard the items are to obtain.

But this is where I found out something interesting… Lox Meat Pie is absolutely the WORST food in the game. First of all, you have to waste 2 cooked lox, for only a crappy +10 to health and extra 1 to health regeneration. Based on the materials you waste crafting this food…it’s just not worth it. Because you’ll have more food, if you just use the cooked lox meat and then a health potion vs wasting time and materials on crafting the stupid pie. (plus you need flour which is just a useless time sink and waste of materials) Also, Sausage … always make sausage. With 4 for every craft, it’s one of the best foods…and Queens Jam is useless … 16 freaking materials for this? Why? Just why!?

I’d really like to see a cooking system where what you put in is more proportional to the return. I’d also really like to see all food have a campfire version, why can’t I roast carrots? or turnips? XD

[ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦]

I used Cooked Lox Meat, Lox Pie and Fish Wrap for insane stat increases. But later switched out cooked lox meat for Blood Pudding instead

[M'Hael]

GrimHumor eredeti hozzászólása:

M'Hael eredeti hozzászólása:

lol...you guys have no idea what you are talking about. Lox pie is easily the best food in the game, and is the easiest S tier food to create.

S tier:
Lox Pie
Blood Pudding
Serpent Stew
Fish Tacos

A tier:
Lox meat

B tier:
Sausage
Turnip Stew
Bread (probably more like C tier, cost is too high)

If you're looking at just the satas you could make that assumtion. But in terms of waste, they are the bottom of the list. 4 flour? flour has to be created through another process, and your burning that extra piece of lox for only 40 extra stamina and 10 health ... where as you could make two tacos for amount of flour and two lox meat...so your in effect useing the resources to feed two players just to feed one.

Fish wraps also cost 4 flour and lox meat is much easier to obtain. Everything I listed in S tier is 40 minute duration, A tier is 33 minutes, B tier is 26 minutes. Once you have a barley farm setup, flour really becomes a non issue after a certain amount of time.

Bobucles eredeti hozzászólása:

Lots of praise for fish, but they're always so difficult to catch. Is there some magic trick to reeling in mountains of fish?

I find it easiest to catch alot of fish from the boat, just sail down the shore lines looking for schools of fish, when you find some, stop and cast on them. There are 3 different fish, the big dark tuna looking ones give you 4 meat, the medium silver fish give 2, and the small fish 1. Seems like the big fish are usually a little further off shore where it starts to get deeper but you can still see the bottom.

[ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦]

Ildryn eredeti hozzászólása:

Bobucles eredeti hozzászólása:

Lots of praise for fish, but they're always so difficult to catch. Is there some magic trick to reeling in mountains of fish?

No "reeling" required.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2432992115
Press E to pick up.

Thats really smart, gotta try that sometime xD

[ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦]

But yeah, lox meat pie is not that bad, you have to look at the duration too and how long it lasts. If your brave though, just go hunt serpents instead, they give insane stat boosts too

[zacharyb]

ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦 eredeti hozzászólása:

But yeah, lox meat pie is not that bad, you have to look at the duration too and how long it lasts. If your brave though, just go hunt serpents instead, they give insane stat boosts too

If you have a fully upgraded Draugr Fang and Poison arrows you can kill a Sea Serpent in like 5 shots if you get a stealth shot on them, you're able to kill them before they even attack your boat.

[Lime]

It doesn't. If the materials are too tedious for you to find to make a lot, then make one and save it for the boss.

Saying one of the best foods sucks is just factually wrong.

[ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦]

Yeah, the only issue is finding serpents, sometimes alot of them wants to eat your boat, sometime you can sail across the entire world without encountering one.

[zacharyb]

Ildryn eredeti hozzászólása:

zacharyb eredeti hozzászólása:

If you have a fully upgraded Draugr Fang and Poison arrows you can kill a Sea Serpent in like 5 shots if you get a stealth shot on them, you're able to kill them before they even attack your boat.

Why would you use poison arrows with the Draugr bow?
The poison doesn't stack. Frost arrows are far superior and they nearly stop the serpent for continued easy arrow placement.

They were leftover arrows from Sunken Crypts, and also because of the poison effect it causes it can help you find them easier to find again/keep an eye on the serpents location if you happen to lose sight of them or if they retreat.

[Ryooku]

Lox Meat is as easy as making enough wood arrows to go poison some Lox, and the Pie is barely more effort, 1 Lox is 4 meat, which is 2 pies worth. And is slapping a portal down and making a farm in the Fuling base you just raided so hard? You don't need to till the ground, it doesn't even need seeds, you just shove the barley (and or flax) you just ripped out of the ground right back in and it multiplies. Spend a little while and you can get enough barley going to farm fields of the crap. Barley farming was what pushed me to make reinforced chests because it (and Flax) were clogging my chests! I'm not even going to address the Cloudberries in the pie either. If you're having trouble finding enough cloudberries in the Plains, try using your eyes next time. Lox's actual worst attribute is that it takes forever to cook, which is solved by just making rows of cooking spits and cooking them 20 at a time.

Anyone who suggests Serpents obviously isn't trying to feed more than a single person, because ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ serpent farming. Hunting random singular spawns out in the middle of the ocean with no other tasks to do to fill the time? RIVETING. Serpent Stew is amazing however. The only upside to serpents is that their meat floats, so while you can't get any of their other drops unless you're willing to take even more time dragging them to shore, at least you aren't losing the food.

And fishing? You can't convince me you're having FUN fishing, you're lying and I know it. The game doesn't even like it, and it levels running, jumping, and BOTH ways to use an axe. It's more of a stamina drain than farming and far less productive because you can't make the tacos without barley (so it's not worth it to get into fishing until that point), and if you're farming enough barley to make them, then why are pies so much more effort? Farms for carrot (soup) or turnip (stew) are far less time intensive as well, so you're able to go out and actually do other things.

Thistle for Sausage isn't hard to get, just sparse, so pick it up every time you're out in the swamps and black forest. Or go hunting for it/mushrooms while you wait for crops to grow or barley to process. 4 Thistle = 4 Sausage, so every time you pick a thistle, it's like picking a sausage in my eyes, because two entrails and one meat should be easy enough to get. Just try to leave a body pile in a Crypt for infinite spawning entrails and boom, your only worry is thistle picking.

Turnips are a pain to get going, but if you're patient, like with any farm, it can become a huge food source if you're willing to be bored out of your skull waiting for stamina to plant another row of crops. Spend twenty minutes farming, leave to go lox hunting and boar culling, make sure to sleep to force time to pass, and soon enough, you'll be able to casually plant 100+ turnips at a time.

Lox Meat, Turnip Stew, and Sausage are my go to meal, though I replace stew or sausage with pie depending on stocks.

TL;DR: Get used to multitasking you lazy piece of lox dung.

[Frozztastic]

This thread has been full of awesome info. Thank you for your inputs, everyone. :D

[Frozztastic]

Ryooku eredeti hozzászólása:

TL;DR: Get used to multitasking you lazy piece of lox dung.

I get laser focused on whatever task I have on hand at the time. It's kind of funny. Good to know about the Serpent meat, though. I haven't actually encountered one yet, didn't know the meat would float/drops would sink. Makes kind of sense.

As for fishing...I've not yet successfully caught a single fish.

I suck. >_<

[Sunny]

Ryooku eredeti hozzászólása:

And fishing? You can't convince me you're having FUN fishing, you're lying and I know it.

I really enjoy it. It's not the best fishing in a game (currently, I think FFXIV's fishing is), but there are definitely people who like fishing in games. I swear I'm not lying. Infinitely less frustrating than the fishing in Stardew Valley (which I also enjoy), and it's more interesting than Minecraft's (unmodded) fishing.

[ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦]

Frozztastic eredeti hozzászólása:

Ryooku eredeti hozzászólása:

TL;DR: Get used to multitasking you lazy piece of lox dung.

I get laser focused on whatever task I have on hand at the time. It's kind of funny. Good to know about the Serpent meat, though. I haven't actually encountered one yet, didn't know the meat would float/drops would sink. Makes kind of sense.

As for fishing...I've not yet successfully caught a single fish.

I suck. >_<

What worked for me when fishing, just throw your lure out as far as it goes and just reel, sometimes you get a catch, sometimes not, just mind your stamina as it drains when you caught a fish.

[Sunny]

ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦 eredeti hozzászólása:

Frozztastic eredeti hozzászólása:

I get laser focused on whatever task I have on hand at the time. It's kind of funny. Good to know about the Serpent meat, though. I haven't actually encountered one yet, didn't know the meat would float/drops would sink. Makes kind of sense.

As for fishing...I've not yet successfully caught a single fish.

I suck. >_<

What worked for me when fishing, just throw your lure out as far as it goes and just reel, sometimes you get a catch, sometimes not, just mind your stamina as it drains when you caught a fish.

Some fish types like a still (not moving) bobber; some of them seem to like it when it moves. Cast line all the way, drag it back to between 10-14~, let it sit there. Watch the fish as they check it out. You'll get a feel for when they're going to bite, and when they're going to bolt. If you push to catch before a fish has bitten, it will run. Click immediately when fish bites, hold. The big black fish that run in like a cat with zoomies are worth 4 fish each, that's why they're so hard to catch, and they won't even come after your bobber until it's been sitting there a while. Everything they do right after you've cast the line is to fake you out. Wait.

[Deceptive Pastry]

I think some people are missing the point. Obviously Lox Pie is one of the best foods stat wise, but in terms of time efficiency, you're better off just eating the cooked meat. Turnip stew is one of the best foods for this reason. Barring the initial startup time, if you get a 2 star boar farm and a turnip farm going it's the easiest to get in large quantities for relatively little time investment and it's 50/50 HP/stam.

Turnip stew and Cooked lox meat are both pretty quick to stock up on, so then it's just a question of the third food. Sausages are pretty easy, you can just farm a spawner with stealth+bow for quick entrail stacks. A stack of entrails is 100 sausages. The limiting factor is thistles which really aren't that bad. Pick them up any time you see them. And if you need a lot quickly, take the time to map out a black forest where you find lots of them. Once you have them all pinned you can just pop Eikthyr buff, run from dot to dot, get 1-2 stacks in 5 minutes.