Dear devs of Senran Kagura 7EVEN: release it on PC only (Edit: on PC, Switch and Xbox)

[Yuri Bezmenov]

I'm aware that this is not the right place exactly, but as a customer who bought all the SK franchise in Steam, and at least half of the DLCs, I think my opinion has some value to a certain extent. there are customers out there (not all customers, maybe many, maybe some, maybe a few) who don't want 7even changed because of puritans's policy that it's going to ruin the franchise for good.

Yes, I'm talking about Soyny.

This is an advice, because there'll be severe consequences for the franchise if you don't do nothing about it.

Get the game out of Sony, and you'll be fine. There's been a rise on pc gaming in Japan, if you make it exclusive in pc, no one will go to force their puritanical rules on your product. Everyone from everywhere will be able to buy it.

If the Pc version comes along as intended initially, you'll do it just fine. But if you capitulate to the censors, be my guest, I won't shed tears for you when the game's sales go down, and someone else will replace you in the future.

Edit: Since people are saying about putting the game to Switch (a friendly platform okay with fanservice) and even Xbox, I'm going to put an adition to the title.

[SUPAH NIIGAH]

Takaki is a push over, and is willing to let Sony walk all over him, he just needs to not be a wuss and do the game the way he wants, and if they don't like then he can go else where with his game.

[Kimarnic]

If they only release it for pc, they are losing money. I'd rather have them censor the game and not let the franchise die than just releasing it on pc and nobody buying it thus killing Senran Kagura because no more people are buying it, or instead just waiting for a discount (like me)
In Japan the PC market is not as big as Worldwide, look at the Switch or 3DS, or VITA.

[Lalapop]

This franchise doesn't look good honestly with the general demeanor that Takaki is exuding when interviewed about censorship. He sounds defeatist and like he's ready to throw in the towel and turn Senran Kagura into PG series without clothing ripping, bouncing, semi nudity, ecchi or anything that even got the series into the niche that has seen its success thus far.

This series will either change a lot and lose the appeal that many people even are into it for, or abandon Sony, or slowly disappear altogether and see no main games released after the next.

If we can even get the next game at all that is: https://www.destructoid.com/senran-kagura-7even-currently-impossible-to-release-due-to-sony-content-restrictions-541679.phtml

[Rotheilm]

If Sony want to censor, just go with Steam, Xbot or Switch.

[Onmitsu]

Originally posted by Teaspoon:

Does anybody actually know what it is that's being censored or that Sony wants changed? I've read over the forums and a few different articles but all I ever see is that "it can't be released as is" but nobody seems to know what that "as is" infact actually is. Some people seem to think that 7EVEN is no different than what's been in previous titles, but we have no confirmation of that to my understanding, nor does anyone seem to know if what Sony wants removed is something beyond what the games have had before.

On one hand there might not be anything in 7EVEN that's different from what has come before. Then again what if it turns out that the thing in 7EVEN that Sony wants changed is in fact something truly offensive? Would that suddenly be something worth fighting for? Would people still fight for non-censorship or would they claim ignorance saying "Okay, well I didn't know THAT was the thing they wanted to include in the game."

What would you consider truly offensive? Nowadays people are getting offended by everything really, the problem is imposing your tastes into others like: "oh those girls are unrealistics, too busty, too beautiful, no real woman is like that!"... I suggest your read the comments of the articles about 7even and you will notice that people glad about the censorship usually are feminists, gays or whatever, and are feeling Senran deserves this because their gay game is not showing up on Steam or just because they want the characters as ugly as they are or even trying to show up as the paragons of virtue that they are not in fact.
If i could suggest something to Senran producers is that they make the censored game for PS4 and leave Steam with the uncut version, i mean they already cut Burst so they should consider this when developing future games, like making the game in a way you can just block content. And y'know what? Since Steam is changing their policies about H-Games constantly they should also think about selling the game in their site like some companies used to do, so if the worst case scenario happens they would still sell the game anyway, like S-E with their games.

Originally posted by SuicidalNEET:

Takaki is a push over, and is willing to let Sony walk all over him, he just needs to not be a wuss and do the game the way he wants, and if they don't like then he can go else where with his game.

He needs to man up and face this, his is a niche game and people who want to play it will follow, IF he start doing SJW's will and censor the game the franchise will die, this is happening with movies and other games already, he need to learn the impact such decisions will have to his career as well.

[PrimeSonic]

7EVEN was going to be a PS4 exclusive.
I'm thinking, Sony themselves has money in this one and want to have more than their usual say this time.

Sony's money likely already went into the project, so they likely can't easily get out of whatever contract they got into to make the game PS4 exclusive to begin with.

So here we are. I wish they could just move the project to PC and Switch.
But if 7EVEN was supposed to be PS4 exclusive, they likely can't do that.
And well, I'm not feeling very optimistic.

It's such a shame. This franchise was one of the few things that gave me some hope that it wasn't all of civilization going bats~~t crazy. But well, it seems enough people in power have finally got off the deep end.

[HATFPWDCATE]

Originally posted by Alexstratos:

7EVEN was going to be a PS4 exclusive.
I'm thinking, Sony themselves has money in this one and want to have more than their usual say this time.

Sony's money likely already went into the project, so they likely can't easily get out of whatever contract they got into to make the game PS4 exclusive to begin with.

So here we are. I wish they could just move the project to PC and Switch.
But if 7EVEN was supposed to be PS4 exclusive, they likely can't do that.
And well, I'm not feeling very optimistic.

It's such a shame. This franchise was one of the few things that gave me some hope that it wasn't all of civilization going bats~~t crazy. But well, it seems enough people in power have finally got off the deep end.

Originally posted by Alexstratos:

7EVEN was going to be a PS4 exclusive.
I'm thinking, Sony themselves has money in this one and want to have more than their usual say this time.

Sony's money likely already went into the project, so they likely can't easily get out of whatever contract they got into to make the game PS4 exclusive to begin with.

So here we are. I wish they could just move the project to PC and Switch.
But if 7EVEN was supposed to be PS4 exclusive, they likely can't do that.
And well, I'm not feeling very optimistic.

It's such a shame. This franchise was one of the few things that gave me some hope that it wasn't all of civilization going bats~~t crazy. But well, it seems enough people in power have finally got off the deep end.

i hope your ready cuz its only gonna get worse the only way these people will stop is if they die or are locked in an insane asylum where they belong and sadly i dont see either of those things happening

[Onmitsu]

Originally posted by Teaspoon:

Child porn.

I think you and others are under the impression that 7EVEN isn't anything beyond what the series has had before, but you're not even remotely considering the possibility that there could be something that is pushing the line beyond what we've seen out of the series.

Whenever a game is censored or gets censored it becomes very publicly known what part of the game is/was censored. The fact that we don't know what it is with 7EVEN strikes me as odd. Note that I don't believe it's child porn, but the fact that they keeps getting referred to as "what we want to do with the game" makes me think that there is a new feature or multiple new features that they wanted to introduce that Sony is saying no to. If the game were being censored for things it's done in the past it's unlikely that they wouldn't just come right out and say "X features we've included in the past now conflict with Sony's current policy"

Not talking about whatever feature(s) they want to include makes it look like they are ashamed or something.

I find that there are always way more people on the internet making up conpiracey theories as to why something is the way it is in game development. I know it might be hard to believe but not all development decisions are the result of laziness, greed, or SJWs the way people on the internet make it out to be, because now days those are apparently the only reasons for why a game is the way it is according to a number of people on the internet.

Here's the thing though, it might not be as simple as you're making it out to be. The thing they would need to censor might not be as simple as removing a single mode, or whatever that they can simply cut out but instead could be something that's tied into the gameplay, woven throughout the storyline, etc, that doesn't have a simple fix/edit to remove it. That sort of thing isn't an easy fix/change to make from a development stand point.

7EVEN is/was more expensive to develop than any prior game in the series. The audience for Senran Kagura is niche, but the budgets for the games will only continue to grow because that's how game development works, which means if the games get more expensive to make he/they can't get by simply appealing to the smallest/niche audience the way they used to and will have to bend to Sony because Sony currently has the leading platform sales. If they want to reach the most amount of sales possible they can't simply ignore Sony. Being stubborn won't Takaki anywhere either because then people/investors will stop giving him money to make games.

Really, child porn at this point? Lets say its something like in a certain game that is coming to Switch just now, they have characters that looks like little girls there, now that game wouldn't be allowed the way it is, no one complained on its release as they are now, it is pure hysteria from a small ammount of people who at some point got really interested in censoring games and other forms of entertainment they would never touch except to show how pure they are compared to who plays such stuff. By the way, the way things work now even this game here can be banned from some places... even Steam.

Now, i doubt they are ashamed of something, lets say its a new feature like in the combo mechanics that changes camera angles to something under skirts or other points to appeal to more fetishes... "people can get offended by that, remove it!", Sony can say that and they would need to rework this feature to release the game. Since Intimacy mode is out of question for them now, maybe they wasted a lot of effort in that and will need to just wipe it out in the end, lets say they worked hard to make the girls react better there, its all in the trash can now.

And its ok if you don't believe SJW are the cause of all this censorship ♥♥♥♥ happening, but for years now there are movements trying to burn game's image, pointing they are the cause of violence, now the cause of higher standarts for women appearence and objectifying them.
Y'know, they now infested gamer's media, and can now just make ♥♥♥♥♥♥ critics, they can say that the game is too japanese, or complain about how they have blond ninjas, but no true dark skinned ninjas, or whatever they want and this will never end, they will always want more and more. When i say he needs to man up its to go against this, so many companies are doing their will that you can say they are winning, they are even in Sony now.

This is a niche game, people out of that niche will not play it, if they want to reach the audience out of this niche they will sacrifice the players that supported the franchise until now and this never ends well, you said they need more money? They will end up with even less when their loyal players leave them because of all the changes.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

How Soyny censors games:

If the game is appealing to straight males (the average gamer) it needs to be censored.

If not, they need more of it.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

Originally posted by Teaspoon:

Originally posted by lewd IF:

How Soyny censors games:

If the game is appealing to straight males (the average gamer) it needs to be censored.

Is that why Spider-Man and God of War were so heavily censored?

How spider man and God of war has to do with Soyny's censorship policies?

[Yuri Bezmenov]

Originally posted by Teaspoon:

Originally posted by lewd IF:

How spider man and God of war has to do with Soyny's censorship policies?

Don't Spider-Man and God of War appeal to straight males? If so they must have been censored based on what you're saying.

Ok, let me rephrase that:


If the game is SEXUALLY appealing to straight males (the average gamer) it needs to be censored.

If not, they need more of it.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

Originally posted by Teaspoon:

Originally posted by lewd IF:

Ok, let me rephrase that:


If the game is SEXUALLY appealing to straight males (the average gamer) it needs to be censored.

If not, they need more of it.

I feel like there's plenty of evidence on the internet that Disney characters are sexually appealing to straight males yet Sony just put out that Kingdom Hearts 3 game filled with tons of Disney characters

I don't mean Disney characters, I meant any character with low or lewd clothing or even lewd game concepts such as Dead or Alive Xtreme 3, a game that didn't release inn the west.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

Originally posted by Teaspoon:

Originally posted by lewd IF:

I don't mean Disney characters, I meant any character with low or lewd clothing or even lewd game concepts such as Dead or Alive Xtreme 3, a game that didn't release inn the west.

Jessica, Meena, and Maya, are portrayed that way in Dragon Quest Heroes 2 and that was a PS4 game that Sony didn't censor.

Of course, and the SK characters wear these lewd outfits, absolutely.

The problem is the fact that they banned a game mode that consisted in interacting with the girls in a very intimate way, because it was too lewd without even going explicit.

[Onmitsu]

Originally posted by Teaspoon:

The people who talk/argue about this stuff on forums, social media, etc, don't make up a majority of any audience whether they're for or against something.

The amount of people complaining about censorship is also a small amount of people.

But this is the problem with people who keep silent about this, things they like are slowly being taken from them and they will stay like this until there is nothing left.

Originally posted by Teaspoon:

The things you're talking about are easy work arounds to change/edit out from the game. They're things you can simply change/remove by simply editing the pathing of the file structures.

The interviews make it sound like it's not something so simple to change. To me it sounds more like Sony said the equivalent of "None of the characters in this game can have weapons." something that is a fundamental part of the game that simply can't be fixed by lifting it out of the game. For instance with the weapon example that would require a serious amount of rework to the game as all the characters use weapons. There's no simple fix for that type of thing. Chances are that whatever Sony wants them to remove is either heavily tied into the gameplay or story to the point where it's not a simple thing to remove thus the team is in a sort of stuck position.

I'm trying to be the most realistic as possible, i don't think they are about to add something ridiculously different, but since you insist in something being a fundamental part of the game... lets say its something like the jiggling breasts mechanics, now being unacceptable to today's standards, after getting rid of the intimacy mode now the next step should be this or even reducing the characters breasts or even making them olders so they are not in school anymore, because you can't feel atracted to schoolgirls. I think those are better examples than weapons, take all the sex appeal from the game so its just an action game with girls.

Originally posted by Teaspoon:

The problem is that the loyal playerbase isn't growing enough to justify the cost of the games, also if what you're saying were true then it would've been impossible for games like Resident Evil 4 or Fallout 3 to have been as successful as they were given what radical departures they were from their previous games.

Well, i disagree with it not growing. But you need to understand there is always a certain limit to how much the public will grow:

https://gematsu.com/2017/08/senran-kagura-series-worldwide-sales-top-1-65-million
https://gematsu.com/2015/03/senran-kagura-estival-versus-sales-top-100000

It took time but they reached a completely unexpected number of sales, that being the ecchi action game it is, if you just take what makes it special the game will just die, because not even the fans it got in years will keep buying it, its not that hard to understand.
And from the games you used as examples, i only played the RE series up to the 6th, and from 3 onwards it went downhill, its not what it used to be and just now Capcom is trying to revert the situation trying to turn it into a horror game again.

[Glen Chico]

Originally posted by lewd IF:

I'm aware that this is not the right place exactly, but as a customer who bought all the SK franchise in Steam, and at least half of the DLCs, I think my opinion has some value to a certain extent. there are customers out there (not all customers, maybe many, maybe some, maybe a few) who don't want 7even changed because of puritans's policy that it's going to ruin the franchise for good.

Yes, I'm talking about Soyny.

This is an advice, because there'll be severe consequences for the franchise if you don't do nothing about it.

Get the game out of Sony, and you'll be fine. There's been a rise on pc gaming in Japan, if you make it exclusive in pc, no one will go to force their puritanical rules on your product. Everyone from everywhere will be able to buy it.

If the Pc version comes along as intended initially, you'll do it just fine. But if you capitulate to the censors, be my guest, I won't shed tears for you when the game's sales go down, and someone else will replace you in the future.

That's a dope idea. You should throw together a four year revenue projection. We'll need a dense study of earnings vs. profit consumption along with an actuary table for the life the series after diminishing its potential reach. Consider whether or not exclusivity can be used to offset potential advertising costs, and don't forget the ever important factoring of legal, consumption, and insurance costs then that would be helpful to the developers I'm sure. Let's also not forget that localizing and distributing a product in various markets. in various countries has to factor municipal tax concerns as well as travel and subsistence expenses.

If you could have that in by Monday that would be rad AF.