Vigors vs. Plasmids

[tspendragn]

Since the DLC Burial at Sea is going to happen in Rapture, I wanted to spark a debate: Which is better, the Plasmids from the original Bioshocks, or the Vigors from Bioshock Infinite?

[Raskolnikov]

plasmids. You could access them all at once, instead of just having 2 at a time like in bioshock infinite. Also, I felt that I was only using 3 in infinite.

[박니키]

I prefer Plasmids as I really only used five of the Vigors mostly which are Devil's Kiss, Murder of Crows, Bucking Bronco, Possession and Shock Jockey so to myself Charge, Underflow and Return to Sender felt like fillers!

Something that may interest you is that Return to Sender was originally the Beta Telekinesis!

[Dinerenblanc]

@tannerson You can access all of your vigors by holding down the vigor select key; it'll bring up a wheel. Alternatively, you can select your vigors using number keys.

[tspendragn]

Personally, I prefer vigors. Fewer of them, but the search for salts seems easier than the hunt for EVE. Plus, with fewer of them, its easier to pick the best one for the job.

[TheLastLion]

Plasmids, because they are actually explained in the game while Vigors are not.

[박니키]

Plasmids = Only worked with selected people and hard to get hold of!

Vigors = Works with anyone and easily sold from stalls and shops because of Jeremiah Fink's money grabbing schemes.

[TheLastLion]

There is no background infomation about Vigors except that they are based on Plasmids, somehow. Plasmids, on the other hand, are serums made from processed ADAM that introduce modified stem cells into the body, thus providing the user with mutations and genetic modifications. ADAM is harvested from a sea slug which is endemic to Rapture. Besides Plasmids worked with everyone who had access to ADAM.

[Altani]

I like a lot the combinations and the mistery in the background of the Vigors

[Aleco247]

Originally posted by tspendragn:

Personally, I prefer vigors. Fewer of them, but the search for salts seems easier than the hunt for EVE. Plus, with fewer of them, its easier to pick the best one for the job.

It's only eaiser cus of Booker catch

[leandrombraz]

Originally posted by tannersan:

plasmids. You could access them all at once, instead of just having 2 at a time like in bioshock infinite. Also, I felt that I was only using 3 in infinite.

I just played Bioshock 1 again and I don't get your commentary. At least using a keyboard, it's basically the same thing. Both have a menu that pause the game and you can choose which one you want and both have hotkeys for each plasmid/vigor (by default, B1 use the function keys while Bi use the numerical keys, it's the only difference here). The difference is, opposing what you said, on B1 you have a limited number of slots to put your plasmids (6), you can't have all at once, while in infinite you have all at once. The other difference is that on infinity you have a hotkey that switch between two powers, function that you don't have in B1. The last difference was added in Bioshock 2, which put your plasmids in a different button, this way we can use plasmid and shoot at the same time.

I used all vigors through infinite, some more than others, I give you that, but I used all. On Bioshock 1, there's plasmids that I didn't even touched, like the one that make security attack the opponent, and the one that freeze. So, it really changes from player to player, but IMO, vigors are more interesting to keep changing, mostly if you try to do combos with it.

[leandrombraz]

Here is the wikia page for plasmids (Bioshock 1) and vigors:

http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/BioShock_Plasmids

http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Vigor

Note that you can make combos with vigors.

IMO Vigors are more refined, more useful and give more options than B1 plasmids. It bring a lot more variety to the gameplay, with traps and combos. IMO, it's an evolution of what they started at B1.

[tspendragn]

I think vigors are probably like the drugstore version of plasmids. Just like some 19th Century drugstore owner invented Coca Cola, vigors are an accident made by mixing strange compounds that happen to work like magic. That they change your body into something that hurls fireballs or make people like you when they really want to kill you is just a possibility in the Bioshock universe. We can never know how they work, but we know that they work.

[leandrombraz]

Originally posted by tspendragn:

I think vigors are probably like the drugstore version of plasmids. Just like some 19th Century drugstore owner invented Coca Cola, vigors are an accident made by mixing strange compounds that happen to work like magic. That they change your body into something that hurls fireballs or make people like you when they really want to kill you is just a possibility in the Bioshock universe. We can never know how they work, but we know that they work.

We do know how they work, Vigors ARE plasmids. Fink learned how to do it looking through tears, in the same way his brother learned music from the future by listening through tears, there's a voxophone that show that, they even released more voxophones about that on the Clash in the Clouds DLC. The real question is how they get Adam and why they drink it insteady of injecting it like in Rapture. The second one probably will be answered in the DLC, but I don't have high hopes of learning how they got adam, considering that it can be only found in the botton of the ocean and rapture have a whole system using the little sisters to produce it. I think Irrational doesn't have a answer for that...

[Ncgen]

The plasmids to me felt like they had more than just combat usefulness. I kind of missed that with Infinite. So my vote would have to go to plasmids. (I do like the visual effects of vigors)

[Dinerenblanc]

They're essentially the same thing with different names . . .