BioShock Infinite

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Zanlo Sep 26, 2014 @ 11:40pm
Are the Lutece twins good or bad?
They worked for Comstock but they also help you. I don't get it.
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Zanlo Sep 26, 2014 @ 11:54pm 
*SPOILER* And also at the end couldn't you just kill the preist instead of killing Booker and it would have had the same effect?
biscuit Sep 27, 2014 @ 12:52am 
*Spoiler* If you played Burial at Sea 1 & 2 (I don't know if you did) it would seem yes & no . They seemed more underhanded to me than Comstack .
tspendragn Sep 27, 2014 @ 4:31am 
The Luteces are neither good nor evil. They're just scientitsts. Science has no good or evil, only what is. The Luteces are observers, and they want to see what happens when you trap a girl in a tower for 20 years, then let her free to run around a floating city with a gun-toting detective with some severe guilt issues. That they like manipulating the circumstances in which these things happen is typically scientific. It's like changing the maze for the rats to run down to find the cheese.
Commandershepard Sep 27, 2014 @ 6:20am 
It's hard to say.They do manipulate things a lot.I guess being scattered throughout space-time changes one's perspective on things.It gives them freedom to conduct their "experiments" on a much larger scale.
Solarmech Sep 27, 2014 @ 6:56am 
I rather wonder if they are even really human anymore and have driffted into Blue and Orange morality. sm
Mr. Rager Sep 27, 2014 @ 7:08am 
hm its so hard to say...
Sparks Sep 27, 2014 @ 9:24am 
They're neither really.
Rosalind only worked for Comstock as he agreed to fund her research in return for her help in constructing Columbia and Robert only got involved through his interactions with Rosalind. This work continued as it simply benefitted Rosalind (as she got continued funding for her research) and Comstock (as he was able to obtain prophesies through tears and get Elizabeth). Despite having no real connection with Comstock, Rosalind never really wanted to send Elizabeth back home after bringing her through to Columbia. She only worked to send her back as Robert threatened to part ways with her if she didn't. When Comstock discovered this, he arranged for the machine they used to create tears to be destroyed with the two inside it. As a result, the two were scattered across time and space and could appear as they please.
Robert was not satisfied with how they had left the fate of Elizabeth though and that's why they brought through Booker and nudge him and Elizabeth in the right direction every now and then.
In Burial At Sea, (heads up, spoilers) the Lutece 'twins' are shown to have manipulated Daisy into helping 'lock in' Elizabeth's fate by giving her no choice but to kill Daisy and they also warn Elizabeth at the beginning of Episode 2 about what'll happen if she goes back to a world in which she has already died.
It was never about doing what's right or wrong with them, it was about Elizabeth's fate. (sorry for the lengthy answer (o.o') )
Last edited by Sparks; Sep 27, 2014 @ 9:29am
Sparks Sep 27, 2014 @ 9:28am 
Originally posted by Zanlo:
*SPOILER* And also at the end couldn't you just kill the preist instead of killing Booker and it would have had the same effect?
Not necessarily as Comstock still could've come into being by going to a different priest/location/ect. The scene was representative of Booker's choice so killing the priest wouldn't have affected the way that version of Booker turned out but instead affected the person and place he went to.
Zanlo Sep 27, 2014 @ 9:56pm 
Originally posted by Sparks:
Originally posted by Zanlo:
*SPOILER* And also at the end couldn't you just kill the preist instead of killing Booker and it would have had the same effect?
Not necessarily as Comstock still could've come into being by going to a different priest/location/ect. The scene was representative of Booker's choice so killing the priest wouldn't have affected the way that version of Booker turned out but instead affected the person and place he went to.

Why are there even 2 Bookers in one universe anyway?
Sparks Sep 28, 2014 @ 12:18am 
Originally posted by Zanlo:
Originally posted by Sparks:
Not necessarily as Comstock still could've come into being by going to a different priest/location/ect. The scene was representative of Booker's choice so killing the priest wouldn't have affected the way that version of Booker turned out but instead affected the person and place he went to.

Why are there even 2 Bookers in one universe anyway?

The sole reason the two Bookers interact is because Comstock becomes sterile due to exposure to the tears and Comstock could no longer make his wife pregnant which ruined his prophecy. So he commissioned the Lutece twins to capture Elizabeth from an alternate version of himself so he could have his precious seed. What he didn't count on was Robert not liking the future Comstock intended for Elizabeth and so Robert and Rosalind bring the Booker they stole Elizabeth off of into their universe in order to change that.
Basically, the two Bookers in the same universe are the result of the Lutece's meddling.
Zanlo Sep 28, 2014 @ 12:41am 
Originally posted by Sparks:
Originally posted by Zanlo:

Why are there even 2 Bookers in one universe anyway?

The sole reason the two Bookers interact is because Comstock becomes sterile due to exposure to the tears and Comstock could no longer make his wife pregnant which ruined his prophecy. So he commissioned the Lutece twins to capture Elizabeth from an alternate version of himself so he could have his precious seed. What he didn't count on was Robert not liking the future Comstock intended for Elizabeth and so Robert and Rosalind bring the Booker they stole Elizabeth off of into their universe in order to change that.
Basically, the two Bookers in the same universe are the result of the Lutece's meddling.

When did they bring the player Booker into the Comstock universe? I don't remember going through a tear at the start of the game.
Sparks Sep 28, 2014 @ 1:04am 
Originally posted by Zanlo:
Originally posted by Sparks:

The sole reason the two Bookers interact is because Comstock becomes sterile due to exposure to the tears and Comstock could no longer make his wife pregnant which ruined his prophecy. So he commissioned the Lutece twins to capture Elizabeth from an alternate version of himself so he could have his precious seed. What he didn't count on was Robert not liking the future Comstock intended for Elizabeth and so Robert and Rosalind bring the Booker they stole Elizabeth off of into their universe in order to change that.
Basically, the two Bookers in the same universe are the result of the Lutece's meddling.

When did they bring the player Booker into the Comstock universe? I don't remember going through a tear at the start of the game.

That's because Booker is heavily affected by coming through the tear and his memory rearranges and he passes out. The game begins when Booker begins to come to after this whilst he's in the boat. At the end of the game, when Elizabeth leads Booker through all the 'doors' at the end in the search for Comstock, you're shown this as part of his backstory. After the scene where baby Anna is taken to Columbia, there's a scene with Booker alone and a tear suddenly opens up with Robert standing on the other side. When you step through he immediately falls to the ground and Robert pulls you on board the little row boat.
Meursault Sep 28, 2014 @ 11:00am 
I would say they are neutral
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