bioshock infinite weapons: steam punk or real 1912 style?

[Geldzakken™]

the bioshock infinite weapons are futuristic to some degree but how much do they resemble real 1912 weapons?

[Commissar Red]

They are well steam punky in the typical bioshock art-deco style.

I'm no historical weapon's expert but only the carbine rifle and the hand cannon seem 1900-ish. Not sure if they are real calibers from that time but they feel and look plausible. The other guns are, even the 'regular shotgun' are real steampunky and the close combat weapon and those grenade tossing weapons are pretty bizar.

Not sure if you like or dislike that but I suggest watching some vids or look for the concept art about the weapons.

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[Clockwork Undertaker]

Originally posted by Commissar Red:

They are well steam punky in the typical bioshock art-deco style.

I'm no historical weapon's expert but only the carbine rifle and the hand cannon seem 1900-ish. Not sure if they are real calibers from that time but they feel and look plausible. The other guns are, even the 'regular shotgun' are real steampunky and the close combat weapon and those grenade tossing weapons are pretty bizar.

Not sure if you like or dislike that but I suggest watching some vids or look for the concept art about the weapons.

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First off nothing in Bioshock Infinite is done in the art-deco style, that is all victorian and post victorian era styling. Second yes the carbine rifle and hand cannon revolver are true to that period but the caliber isnt. The machine gun is fairly close to the time period maybe a little to early. The pistol is a Mauser C96 which is true to that time period. The shotgun is close to the time period as well but everything else is merely fantasy weapons designed in the victorian and post victorian era.

[Solarmech]

Some weapons are closer to histroical ones than others. The Triple R is very simlar to a weapon from late WWI. The Broadsider Pistol looks very similar to the Mauser C98, but has a different mechanism (it used a magazine that is inserted from below while the C98 used a clip and it was inserted from the top). The RPG of course doesn't resemble anything from the era. sm

[aMotorizedCarrot]

Originally posted by Solarmech:

Some weapons are closer to histroical ones than others. The Triple R is very simlar to a weapon from late WWI. The Broadsider Pistol looks very similar to the Mauser C98, but has a different mechanism (it used a magazine that is inserted from below while the C98 used a clip and it was inserted from the top). The RPG of course doesn't resemble anything from the era. sm

That's the Mauser C96 you're talking about, and some of it's variants, of which there were several, used a detachable magazine (like the Astra Model 900 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Model_900).
The Carbine however seems to be based off the M1 Carbine, which was only used in WWII, so it's somewhat anachronistic.

And no, I'm not a gun buff and I had to google this information :P



Edit: Welp, this should answer any and all questions about the weapons in Infinite: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Bioshock_Infinite

[Commissar Red]

Originally posted by Clockwork Undertaker:

Originally posted by Commissar Red:

They are well steam punky in the typical bioshock art-deco style.

I'm no historical weapon's expert but only the carbine rifle and the hand cannon seem 1900-ish. Not sure if they are real calibers from that time but they feel and look plausible. The other guns are, even the 'regular shotgun' are real steampunky and the close combat weapon and those grenade tossing weapons are pretty bizar.

Not sure if you like or dislike that but I suggest watching some vids or look for the concept art about the weapons.

(edit; spelling)

First off nothing in Bioshock Infinite is done in the art-deco style, that is all victorian and post victorian era styling. Second yes the carbine rifle and hand cannon revolver are true to that period but the caliber isnt. The machine gun is fairly close to the time period maybe a little to early. The pistol is a Mauser C96 which is true to that time period. The shotgun is close to the time period as well but everything else is merely fantasy weapons designed in the victorian and post victorian era.

Ah sorry about mentioning the wrong art style. To me even with it's differances, it instantly felt really Bioshocky to me. With the whole arty feel in the game. So I assumed it was a more religeous/gothic mix with art-deco. Thanks for the correction.

[Solarmech]

Originally posted by aMotorizedCarrot:

That's the Mauser C96 you're talking about, and some of it's variants, of which there were several, used a detachable magazine (like the Astra Model 900 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Model_900).

Always get the bloody model number wrong on the Mouser. :( The Spanish Astra Model 900 is a from 1927 btw. sm

[Geldzakken™]

thanks for the input guys. Ill have to agree with the general thoughts in saying that the realism varies from weapon to weapon that seems reasonable to me. some are more victorian fantasy and others seem to resemble real weapons.

[Fear2288]

Interesting to see how many of you think the Carbine is accurate...because it isn't.

The Carbine in Infinite is clearly a semi-automatic, gas-operated rifle that has a lot of similarities to the M1 Garand - the first semi-auto rifle which wasn't designed until 1928 and didn't enter service until 1943.

In 1912 rifles were mostly manual-action, meaning either bolt or lever action predominantly.

Regardless it doesn't matter.

The weapons in the game aren't supposed to be historically accurate. Remember, Comstock wasn't the only one to use the tear technology to his advantage. The Fink brothers used it as well. While one of them used it to give his music career a boost (hence the old-timey versions of "Everybody Wants to Rule the World, "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun", "Fortunate Son", etc), the industrious Fink used them to bring technology and such into his own reality.

[aMotorizedCarrot]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

Interesting to see how many of you think the Carbine is accurate...because it isn't.

The last mention of the Carbine was in my last post, where I noted how it was anachronistic :D

[Geldzakken™]

Good point after looking at it some more it does seem like the m1 grande used in ww2

[dissolute swine]

I wouldn't expect any historical accuracy, steam punk is da thing

[Clockwork Undertaker]

Originally posted by Commissar Red:

Originally posted by Clockwork Undertaker:

First off nothing in Bioshock Infinite is done in the art-deco style, that is all victorian and post victorian era styling. Second yes the carbine rifle and hand cannon revolver are true to that period but the caliber isnt. The machine gun is fairly close to the time period maybe a little to early. The pistol is a Mauser C96 which is true to that time period. The shotgun is close to the time period as well but everything else is merely fantasy weapons designed in the victorian and post victorian era.

Ah sorry about mentioning the wrong art style. To me even with it's differances, it instantly felt really Bioshocky to me. With the whole arty feel in the game. So I assumed it was a more religeous/gothic mix with art-deco. Thanks for the correction.

yeah i dont wanna come of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ about it, its just that i studied architecture and art deco and victorian where my two favorite eras so its a slight obsession of mine

[Commissar Red]

Don't sweat it, I'm glad you corrected me, makes me learn from my mistake. I ain't as artsy as you but currently I'm trying to redecorate the addic to look a Rapture office. Turning the vent into a Rapture vent turns out a problem though.

Regarding the rifle yea I suspected it wasn't totally accurate regarding it's time but what I ment was, it's one of the few weapons that actually feels 'old-and-plausible' for the 1920 setting. Specially next to those bizaro launchers.

[aMotorizedCarrot]

Originally posted by Commissar Red:

Don't sweat it, I'm glad you corrected me, makes me learn from my mistake. I ain't as artsy as you but currently I'm trying to redecorate the addic to look a Rapture office. Turning the vent into a Rapture vent turns out a problem though.

Oo, I'd sure be interested to see what the finished design looks like. The Internet would appreciate photos at some stage!

[Clockwork Undertaker]

Originally posted by aMotorizedCarrot:

Originally posted by Commissar Red:

Don't sweat it, I'm glad you corrected me, makes me learn from my mistake. I ain't as artsy as you but currently I'm trying to redecorate the addic to look a Rapture office. Turning the vent into a Rapture vent turns out a problem though.

Oo, I'd sure be interested to see what the finished design looks like. The Internet would appreciate photos at some stage!

Yes photos would be wonderful. But yeah those two launchers are way outta line. Most of the ohter weapons are from that period though, give or take a decade.