My spoiler rant on BAS Episode 2

[Bruce Wayne]

I did not like the ending at all. I've been reading all the explanations I can and I wish I never played the DLC because it's runied my thoughts of Bioschock Infinite vanilla. I was planning on playing through the base game again but now I have 0 interest because this ending totally craps all over any hope from the ending.

We spend all of infinite saving Elizabeth to have her die at the end of Episode 2 in all universes?! Booker essentially sacrifices himself so Elizabeth can live on and all Comstocks die, and there's the post credit scene where there's 1 booker and a baby Elizabeth. It was a happy ending and I loved it because there was still a lot to think about. But in this somehow Comstocks are still alive with no explanation and Elizabeth is hunting them down. But apparently all Bookers and Elizabeths die for a little sister they spent 30 seconds explaining who she was to them. Why was she was important to them and why did both Comstock/Booker and Elizabeth care so much about her?

Even if Booker did die in all the universes I'd be happy with the thought of Elizabeth, his daughter that he fought so hard to save living, but no she gets wrenched to death by Atlas never getting to be truly free. This DLC was utter garbage in the ending.

TLDR: Booker saves Elizabeth, sacrifces himself for her, she then gets wrenched to death in Rapture. To tie it togher for an explanation that Ryan gave is in Bioshock 1?


Someone please explain to me that theres some Elizabeth alive somewhere in Paris.

[Osaka_amd]

I want an explanation how Comstock in BaS makes it, when booker drowned. Like to me shouldnt he be capoot?

To me this DLC is basically a tie in to the Original Bioshocks.

Also wouldnt everything leading to raptures fall be blamed on Elizabeth. Getting Fontaines spilcer army to Rapture? Hard to see how she can be seen as a "hero".

[Eat3n]

Автор сообщения: osaka_amd

To me this DLC is basically a tie in to the Original Bioshocks.

You hit it right on the head. My theory is that Levine came to his conclusion to end Irrational Games and Bioshock in the middle of making Infinite and then came up with the idea to try and tie the first two games with Infinite. That explains why we had a good ending in Infinite, Booker dies and Elizabeth poofs out of existence...ruined with that tacked on Rapture ending that makes no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sense. Burial at Sea is just a weak story, poorly written, and full of plot holes all in an attempt to bridge Bioshock 1 and 2 with Infinite.

[omegablue0231]

Автор сообщения: osaka_amd

I want an explanation how Comstock in BaS makes it, when booker drowned. Like to me shouldnt he be capoot?

To me this DLC is basically a tie in to the Original Bioshocks.

Also wouldnt everything leading to raptures fall be blamed on Elizabeth. Getting Fontaines spilcer army to Rapture? Hard to see how she can be seen as a "hero".

Yeah they were so eager to tie all the games in together they left massive plot holes.

[The Weekend]

Well BaSEp2 was a disappointment for me, Only one ending, 0 decisions+lets kill the main character again because its so crative and fans will like it.....

[Bruce Wayne]

Автор сообщения: LLOYDBANKS

Well BaSEp2 was a disappointment for me, Only one ending, 0 decisions+lets kill the main character again because its so crative and fans will like it.....

Yea, I just feel like it totally invalidated everything you did in Infinite to save your daughter and have multiple options for the future. Instead they basically retconned it into "Elizabeth got Bioshock 1 started". I thought it was so weird to tie it to Jack because he was a mute character you knew nothing about. I loved the first one but he wasn't a developed character like Booker or Elizabeth.

[Oberon]

Автор сообщения: osaka_amd

I want an explanation how Comstock in BaS makes it, when booker drowned. Like to me shouldnt he be capoot?

No, but then again, where did it say it would kill all of them?

Автор сообщения: osaka_amd

IAlso wouldnt everything leading to raptures fall be blamed on Elizabeth. Getting Fontaines spilcer army to Rapture?

She also brought Jack to Rapture.

Автор сообщения: osaka_amd

IHard to see how she can be seen as a "hero".

She can't! Welcome to the wonder world of film noir, where morality is only there when dramatically convenient.

Автор сообщения: LLOYDBANKS

Well BaSEp2 was a disappointment for me, Only one ending, 0 decisions+lets kill the main character again because its so crative and fans will like it.....

Now, I'm used to that sort of thing, only having one ending and no moral choices. But then I play a lot of video games, so I'm a bit biased.

[Xello]

i think it's a waste of time to try to tie together cohesive narrative like you guys are when they are going with an infinite universe fiction. In that fiction, everything goes, everything happened. Think of it like that and stop giving yourself a headache :D

[Ivlichnov]

Lol! I found this on You Tube.

Bioshock Infinite Burial at Sea Episode 2 HD Soundtrack - You Belong to Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpjy20z-4FM

[sbN]

I want to point out, that people need to stop bringing up Bioshock 2. Its not technically canon in the eyes of Irrational and the original design. Its Bioshock & Bioshock Infinte. Bioshock 2 should of been a DLC, but B2's story just wasn't what Irrational wanted to do.

To see anything was unnecessary is to neglect the idea behind the series. The DLC made the idea rock solid with its understanding of the core concept. Choice. With the ending to BaS2, we realize, the character you played in B1 wasn't the only person that made a difference. It takes a unvierse to do that.

[Eat3n]

Автор сообщения: Xello

i think it's a waste of time to try to tie together cohesive narrative like you guys are when they are going with an infinite universe fiction. In that fiction, everything goes, everything happened. Think of it like that and stop giving yourself a headache :D

I call BS. The "infinite universes" is just a cop-out excuse in an attempt to cover weak writing, a poor story, plot holes and inconsistencies.

[sbN]

Автор сообщения: -Eaten-

Автор сообщения: Xello

i think it's a waste of time to try to tie together cohesive narrative like you guys are when they are going with an infinite universe fiction. In that fiction, everything goes, everything happened. Think of it like that and stop giving yourself a headache :D

I call BS. The "infinite universes" is just a cop-out excuse in an attempt to cover weak writing, a poor story, plot holes and inconsistencies.

Sorry to tell you but everything has plot holes. Its called "storytelling". Get over yourself.

[Oberon]

Автор сообщения: s.b.Newsom

Автор сообщения: -Eaten-

I call BS. The "infinite universes" is just a cop-out excuse in an attempt to cover weak writing, a poor story, plot holes and inconsistencies.

Sorry to tell you but everything has plot holes. Its called "storytelling". Get over yourself.

Not really. But then, lots of people heard the term "plot holes" around, and started using it without actually knowing what it means.

[Okihara Jones]

Somewhere, Ken Levine laughs hysterically every time some fanboi rages about killing their "liz".

[Okihara Jones]

Автор сообщения: Melvin, the Lord of Darkness

Автор сообщения: s.b.Newsom

Sorry to tell you but everything has plot holes. Its called "storytelling". Get over yourself.

Not really. But then, lots of people heard the term "plot holes" around, and started using it without actually knowing what it means.

I'm going to go ahead and agree with Melvin on this one. It's hard to argue "plotholes" in a story about undewater metropolises, big daddies and Adam and Eve.

Having said that I do think B2 was pretty good.

[Bellomy]

Автор сообщения: Melvin, the Lord of Darkness

Автор сообщения: s.b.Newsom

Sorry to tell you but everything has plot holes. Its called "storytelling". Get over yourself.

Not really. But then, lots of people heard the term "plot holes" around, and started using it without actually knowing what it means.

Yeah, you're right. Plot holes are real, and are a problem in the Bioverse, especially in the Infiniteverse.

BUT - if everything in your plot is covered by the laws of your universe, there are no plot holes.

If the laws of the universe are poorly defined BUT nothing in the story actually contradicts them, there are no plot holes. Sloppy writing, yes...plot holes, no.

To give a good example:

PLOT HOLE: Columbia and Comstock should not exist in BaS: E2, since the whole point of the BI ending was to get rid of all versions of Comstock. Since it does, it contradicts the game's internal logic, and is a plot hole.

NOT a plot hole: Elizabeth getting killed by a Big Daddy in BaS: E2. With her powers she should have had no problem staying alive, and one can argue that she was only killed to accelerate the plot.

BUT - it is NOT a plot hole, because no rules of the universe created ever told us that she CAN'T be killed by a big daddy. It is, at worth, a strain on suspension of disbelief - but not a plot hole.

There's a big difference.