Burial At Sea Episode 2 speculation

[Solid Gamer]

Spoiler for those who didnt ended Episode 1 and 2

Am I the only one who thinking that whole Episode 2 played in Limbo. Elizabeth figures out that she's got also killed by Big Daddy (she can see her Body, etc.) and all this entire scene of Paris where it becoming dark and its starts raining? Its something like episode 2 never happens in real, its like she had some "last dream" befor she completly leaved this world? And all this pictures when she's looking in mirror and her head bleeding (a sight that her last moment come?) What do you think people?

[AtomBrain]

Please don't put this kind of stuff in my head. With all the quantum physics and multiverse stuff in the game, I don't need a state of limbo on top of that, even if it does make a warped kind of sense. :D

All I need is something that explains Booker's and Columbia's presence in BaS and I'll consider this game a masterpiece.

[Eat3n]

Good enough for me! Let's make it official: BaS2 didn't happen, Elizabeth was dying and it was all a dream. That way we don't have to try and understand the poor writing.

[Ivlichnov]

The Elizabeth(s) that we see in the mirror, still have a thimble. So this is a full-powered Liz, but she is connected with all the other Elizabeth's.

So I am wondering if the Liz on the plane, sees (a representation of) all the other Liz's looking back at her.

A connection is made between the Quantum Collapsed Elizabeth and the version of herself on the plane, as the shattered mirror reforms in front of her (looking at my screenshots). Then she goes and reads the phrase on the card that Jack dropped.

So Quantum Collapsed Elizabeth knows the significance of the phrase, when she reads it on the card marked "Ace in the hole."

Okay here is my take on your theory.

Perhaps it was all a bad dream.
Epiosode 2 contains all of Elizabeth’s hopes (in Paris) and her fears (losing her powers, not being in control of her life and torture).

Then, there was the happy splicer with the guitar. Did that seem a bit out of place? He tied in with the guitar player we saw in Elizabeth's version of Paris.

If it did turn into a nightmare, her ability to see the door intruded upon it. And Elizabeth is a Songbird trapped in this undersea cage.

She said she felt smaller, which someone suggested, could tie in with Alice in Wonderland (falls asleep and heads down the rabbit hole). But it may also imply Elizabeth’s connection with the Little Sisters.

And looking at my subtitled screenshots, ‘sodium thiopental’ is mentioned twice. Once at the beginning, when Elizabeth is speculating on the type of sleep agent that is used in the crossbow bolts. And again at the end when Atlas’s man says, that this is what he has drugged Elizabeth with.

So it could all have been a dream, as a continuation of Paris. And the events of Bioshock 1 would have happened all the same. Because it has, because it will.

*STOP PRESS!*

Or alternatively, was Omniscience Liz projecting all her fears (when her version of Paris went dark) and they all came true for Quantum Collapsed Elizabeth?

[Solid Gamer]

Thank you so much for all your nice posts guys!

[Ivlichnov]

Expanding on my earlier post, there is Omniscience Liz in her version of Paris. But she can see all the doors, everything that will happen and her own encroaching darkness.

This has a physical effect on the Paris that she has created and also has an effect on her mental state.

So this Paris is heavily linked with the events of BaS Ep 2.

But for Quantum Collapsed Elizabeth, trying to save Sally, the doors keep cracking open and she keeps having connection with her Omniscience self.

So does the physiological state of both the Omniscience Elizabeth in the Paris, that has been corrupted by these dark events and the Quantum Collapsed Liz travelling through Rapture, create a kind of negative feedback loop?

Does the negativity of the situation in both places, just go round and round between the two Elizabeth’s and makes events worse and worse? As both Elizabeth’s drop into this pit of darkness.

[Alcator]

Please stop putting everything in spoiler tag :-)

No, she is not in Limbo.

[Gagamaga123]

My theory?

ELIZABETH LIVES

Probably just the delusional ramblings of someone who is sick and tired of every bioshock protagonist dying at the end (excepting "evil ending jack") but hear me out.

What's the most one of the most common theories regarding bioshock?

Booker dewitt/ comstock is Andrew Ryan. There is good evidence for this: the bathysphere stuff in infinite, as well as the fact that the security bots behave the same in episodes 1and 2 of BaS as in bioshock 1 despite Fontaine stating in bioshock 1 that they would have " torn jack apart" without Ryan's DNA.

If booker=ryan, who does elizabeth equal?

Jack! And jack can use vita-chambers, thus it follows that elizabeth can too. And what do we see in suchongs clinic at the end?

A prototype vita-chamber, well within the range of her death that Jack used them. On the chalkboard next to it suchong writes that all the vita-chambers still have to be coded to ryans DNA, but its very likely that this had already been done by him, considering his death by a big daddy would likely put a stop to his genetic coding.

Further, this could have been all part of elizabeth's plan: fake death and then come back to save sally, before realizing she didn't have to because jack would save her eventually anyways. Remember, she clearly knew atlas planned to kill her. Why wouldn't he simply harvest sally after killing her? He isn't exactly the kind of bloke to hold up his ending of the bargain. Elizabeth was likely stripped of her weapons. And well I guess she could have used old man winter even she couldn't possibly survive the wrath of atlas' entire spliced army armed with only a few nonlethal plasmids. Atlas would probably just harvest sally in his rage even if she could slip away.

In short elizabeth was either very, very stupid to assume atlas would hold up his end of the bargain(she didn't know about jack rescuing sally until she was already bleeding out on the floor) or my theory is true and she faked death knowing the vita-chamber would save her. How? I leave that up to you, but remember that she passed a vita-chamber In infinite. Perhaps she sensed somehow that these could save her life, or perhaps she took the clue from the chalkboard in
suchongs clinic knowing she had Ryan's DNA because Booker was able to operate the bathyspheres.

So, what do you think? Genius? Or a sad bioshock fan with too much time on his hands trying to fix a crappy ending?

[Solarmech]

This line describe Elizabeth the best in BaS Part 2. "She had no real will to live, but she found something worth dying for." Bringing her back with the vita chamber does her NO FAVOR and lessens her sacrifice and lessens her as a person as well. Elizabeth is gone, her only hope at having a real life is as Anna with Booker in 1893. Where she belongs. sm

[AtomBrain]

Originally posted by Solarmech:

This line describe Elizabeth the best in BaS Part 2. "She had no real will to live, but she found something worth dying for." Bringing her back with the vita chamber does her NO FAVOR and lessens her sacrifice and lessens her as a person as well. Elizabeth is gone, her only hope at having a real life is as Anna with Booker in 1893. Where she belongs. sm

My feelings exactly. It may not the happy ending we wanted for Liz, but her death has so much meaning that it would be a disservice to a brilliant character to explain it away. I do however wish they had included a similar after credits scene, where we see Booker and Liz happy and oblivous in an alternate timeline.

[Commandershepard]

Originally posted by Solarmech:

This line describe Elizabeth the best in BaS Part 2. "She had no real will to live, but she found something worth dying for." Bringing her back with the vita chamber does her NO FAVOR and lessens her sacrifice and lessens her as a person as well. Elizabeth is gone, her only hope at having a real life is as Anna with Booker in 1893. Where she belongs. sm

Agreed.I think Elizabeth saw through all the doors,and realized that she was never going to have a happy life.So she sacrificed her life,hoping that the little sisters would get the life she always wanted,but could never have.

[Solarmech]

TOTALY agree the after credits scene was really bad. But Levine had already decided that the question of Anna/Elizabeth being in the crib was left up to the player. I don't think they could figure out a way to show that Anna/Elizabeth could be in the crib without "changing" the end of BSI. If she is in the crib as I hope most people think, she has her chance at a happy life. (Dying in Rapture does not effect if Anna/Elizabeth is in the crib or not) sm