Burial At Sea Episode 2 Ending Explaination

[Strange Asian Holez]

I am twisted as fack with the ending, trying to think a reasonable answer but I failed, can anyone explain the ending ?
Oh and dont even say "its my opinion or I think its like because I like or hate that", please just response purely based on the DLC or evidences throughout the whole series THAT MAKE SENSE

[Salad@r$e]

i'll let someone else explain the long version,but i tell u the short one.

In the end both Dewitts,Booker and Elizabeth ,are dead and everything they did was set course for the events of Bioshock 1 to happen.Pretty sad dat everything came back to a full circle,and nothing feels really acomplished.

[Yazite]

After the Big Daddy kills Booker is Episode 1, it kills Elizabeth aswell. Elizabeth then goes to what seems to be her projection of heaven, the amazing Paris section. However, she is overrun by guilt of leaving Sally to rot in Rapture. She still has her powers at this point. So she eventually decides to go back to reality, in exchange for her losing her powers. Hence begins Episode 2. Its obvious that Atlas uses Elizabeth throughout the episode to reach his own desirable end. Then we fight a few people, then we return to Columbia through the Lutece device. Whilst in Columbia, we overhear a conversation between Daisy and the Luteces. They discuss turning Elizabeth from a girl to a woman. The only way to do that... "Blood". This comes in line with the events of Infinite. Daisy sacrifices herself in order to achieve this goal. Elizabeth is forced to stab Daisy, because of the child, and thus turns her into a "woman". Although Daisy never intended to hurt the child in the first place and never would have. The only thing I don't understand about this part is who and why they actually wanted to turn Liz into a killer. Then we go through Fink MFG a bit and we find out that Rapture and Columbia have been exchanging ideas, between Fink and Suchong. This part is fairly clear and there's no need to go into detail. Then we return to Rapture through the tear. Ryan offers Elizabeth a "chance" to live or die with Atlas. She declines and goes on helping Atlas. Oh I forgot to mention - The reason Elizabeth went to Columbia in the first place is to steal the technology which allows the city to float and bring it to Rapture and use it on the prison to have it rise to the city. After the rising prison bit, Elizabeth is chloroformed and tied up and interrogated by Atlas. Atlas now wants "The ace in the hole". The next torture scene is particularly disturbing. Liz finally gives in after Atlas threatens to hurt Sally and offers to find the "Ace" herself. With help from "Ghost Booker", she finds out that the ace is in Suchong's lab in Artemis suites. On the way we see Mascha! She was a girl taken from her parents in an audio diary from the first game, and obviously turned into a Little Sister. We then see Suchong get killed, like in the audio diary from the first game. Then we find the Ace. Liz takes the Ace back to Atlas. Now. As for the plane scene, I'm a little confused on that one. I think Elizabeth still has fragments of her powers remaining and is able to identify the encoded Ace, by going on the plane that Jack forced down. Or perhaps she remembered doing it when she had her powers. Anyhow, no doubt the encoded Ace turns out to be "Would be kindly" AKA the activation phrase. Thus Atlas is content and kills Elizabeth. The very end can be interpreted in different ways. After Elizabeth dies we hear her say "I can see all the doors and whats behind all the doors" - which implies that her powers may have somehow returned to her. But she is in heaven probably, but perhaps her powers let her see what happens behind the doors anyway. She then sees "him" through one of the doors and its Jack at the end of Bioshock. OMGWTFBBQ Anyway, the story ends with Sally and the other Little Sisters being rescued by Jack (which is the good ending to Bioshock 1) As for the after credits scene, I don't think it holds much significance. Its just the end of the plane that crashes into the tunnel from the first game. I think that scene just assures us that despite everything, the story of Bioshock 1 still carries on as normal.

[Strange Asian Holez]

But does the ending affect all other universe as a whole ? Or just one in millions all over again ?

Originally posted by InfamousHunter:

i'll let someone else explain the long version,but i tell u the short one.

In the end both Dewitts,Booker and Elizabeth ,are dead and everything they did was set course for the events of Bioshock 1 to happen.Pretty sad dat everything came back to a full circle,and nothing feels really acomplished.

[Salad@r$e]

Originally posted by Ayssentittays:

But does the ending affect all other universe as a whole ? Or just one in millions all over again ?

Originally posted by InfamousHunter:

i'll let someone else explain the long version,but i tell u the short one.

In the end both Dewitts,Booker and Elizabeth ,are dead and everything they did was set course for the events of Bioshock 1 to happen.Pretty sad dat everything came back to a full circle,and nothing feels really acomplished.

No there's a part where they say for elizabeth to save sally she collapse her quantum multiverse being into just 1 elizabeth.

[Strange Asian Holez]

So thats why she lost her pinkie and feel smaller ? but after its done so what happen to the rest of the million universes ?

Originally posted by InfamousHunter:

Originally posted by Ayssentittays:

But does the ending affect all other universe as a whole ? Or just one in millions all over again ?

No there's a part where they say for elizabeth to save sally she collapse her quantum multiverse being into just 1 elizabeth.

[Lestrad]

So then basically Bioshock Infinite is the prequel? Thus making the complete series of events in proper chronological order Infinite, 1, and 2?

My other question would be: Is Elizabeth's raising of the prison at the end of BoS the reason Rapture proper goes to the dogs and is a complete and utter wreck at the beginning of Bioshock? Because in part 1 of BoS, Rapture is shown at its "peak" so to speak?

[Yazite]

Originally posted by Lestrad:

So then basically Bioshock Infinite is the prequel? Thus making the complete series of events in proper chronological order Infinite, 1, and 2?

My other question would be: Is Elizabeth's raising of the prison at the end of BoS the reason Rapture proper goes to the dogs and is a complete and utter wreck at the beginning of Bioshock? Because in part 1 of BoS, Rapture is shown at its "peak" so to speak?

Yes. The link between Elizabeth and Rapture is that she essentially helped bring the events of Bioshock 1 into fluition. Without her, who knows what would have happened.

[Alcator]

Originally posted by EYazz:

Yes. The link between Elizabeth and Rapture is that she essentially helped bring the events of Bioshock 1 into fluition. Without her, who knows what would have happened.

Without her, Atlas would have rotted at the bottom of the ocean, the revolution would have never happened, Ryan would rule absolute, Little Sisters wouldn't ever be freed.

[Yazite]

Originally posted by Alcator:

Originally posted by EYazz:

Yes. The link between Elizabeth and Rapture is that she essentially helped bring the events of Bioshock 1 into fluition. Without her, who knows what would have happened.

Without her, Atlas would have rotted at the bottom of the ocean, the revolution would have never happened, Ryan would rule absolute, Little Sisters wouldn't ever be freed.

Not necessarily. Atlas could have found someone else to do his bidding. The events may have occurred slightly differently but his goal remains the same.

[Zeretrelle]

How come the Big Daddy could even kill Elizabeth? She was practically a goddes back then, she still had her powers.

[Yazite]

Originally posted by vesdaris:

How come the Big Daddy could even kill Elizabeth? She was practically a goddes back then, she still had her powers.

I suppose she didn't see the Big Daddy as a threat, because she was so focused on killing the final Comstock. It is a bit unclear as to why the Big Daddy did kill her, but obviously the Big Daddy saw Elizabeth as a threat to Sally.

[Zeretrelle]

I dunno.. it seems contrived. Actually I had problems with her initial plan to make the last Comstock remember what he did and suffer for it. It could have been done much easier and safer considering teh powers she had.

Elizabeth then goes to what seems to be her projection of heaven, the amazing Paris section. However, she is overrun by guilt of leaving Sally to rot in Rapture. She still has her powers at this poin

This I don't get too. What "heaven"? You either dead or you are not. Yeah she had incredible powers but she wasn't immortal and invulnerable. What's the deal with that?
How come her "spririt" (let's call it this way) could survive without a body?

To be honest this whole mess looks like a really contrived lazy writing done by Ken Levine;(.

[Yazite]

Originally posted by vesdaris:

I dunno.. it seems contrived. Actually I had problems with her initial plan to make the last Comstock remember what he did and suffer for it. It could have been done much easier and safer considering teh powers she had.

Elizabeth then goes to what seems to be her projection of heaven, the amazing Paris section. However, she is overrun by guilt of leaving Sally to rot in Rapture. She still has her powers at this poin

This I don't get too. What "heaven"? You either dead or you are not. Yeah she had incredible powers but she wasn't immortal and invulnerable. What's the deal with that?
How come her "spririt" (let's call it this way) could survive without a body?

To be honest this whole mess looks like a really contrived lazy writing done by Ken Levine;(.

Another theory to the Paris section is that it is a pocket universe, created by Elizabeth's desires. La Poche du Temp is the name of the cafe. Which apparently means 'pocket time'.

[Zeretrelle]

La Poche du Temp is the name of the cafe

I didn't pay attention to that ;) Nice once.

[Fr0g]

I love BioShock Infinite and the Burial at Sea DLCs, but I feel like I'm missing something crucial.

During Burial at Sea Episode 2, Elizabeth treads back to Columbia. Didn't the base-game's story eliminate the possibility of Columbia ever existing? Or was the fact that "Booker" turned out to be Comstock in Episode 1 an indication that Elizabeth failed?