Infinity ruined Bioshocks legacy

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The first Bioshock is one of the most memorable exciting action/adventure fps games i have ever played. It exceeded Half-Life and Half-Life 2 which where the greatest games i had played before Bioschock.

Bioshock 2 simply gave us more of the exact formula that made the origional game a gem. I look at Bioshock 2 as basically an expansion or DLC for the first game. The two games are almost identical from a gameplay, setting and exploring perspective.

However im not here to talk about how good the first two games are because anyone who has played them understands.

Bioshock Infinite is some of the worst regression i have ever seen in a video game. The setting, the story, the combat, the enemies, the rails, the equipment are all drastically worse than the first two games. It used modern day political themes and trends for its story, It dumbed down enemy AI and combat to handicaped levels of simplicity.

I could digress into just how bad the combat and exploration is ( which is essential to a good FPS game). I could explain how its themes of racism and politics directly relate to modern struggles and how these themes where used to evoke some kind of reason but honestly ♥♥♥♥ that noise.( lol repressed blacks)

It should have never happened and i understand now why the company imploaded after its release out of pure shame.

I dont know if people agree with me on this matter and i dont really care but for a garbage game to get a 96% rating on metacritic and endless praise by people who dont even know wtf bioshock is says it all...

Any source of information we recieve in this current age is either biased or a lie. The only way to understand is to see for yourself.

This is one of the many great series ruined by casual accessability for the masses. It is pure regression in every form for the sake of a larger audience.

Ive watched my favorite gaming companies go from developers who put their hearts and souls into their projects to greedy corporations who dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about gaming. Just like Blizzard and just like Valve, Irrational games followed the same path.

I fear we are at a point of no return and ill be looking to smaller private developers such as kickstarts and appealing projects if i want any sort of real game released after 2008. As a gamer who thrives on oldschool single player fps games, I have never been this dissapointed about a release from a series and company i respected. The ratings and reception the game recieved at birth are either 100% fake or payed for and anyone who calls themself a gamer should forever scapegoat the trash that is Bioshock Infinite as the perfect example of casual regression for the masses because of greed.

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If i was not thinking for myself why would I hate on a game franchise (bioshock) that is beloved by most if not all critics? I love bioshock series as a story telling vehicle, but from a purely gameplay point of view it is the inferior game. Bioshock, like many other games suffers from putting story ahead of gameplay (which I do not approve of). They could have kept the games more like system shock, without dumbing it down, and still have the story be strong and good. I just don't like the idea that a story based game has to be like detriot become human and scarfices gameplay.

bioshock infinite came out in 2013, detroit in 2018

I know, I was just using Detriot to illistrate the trend that story based games must not have gameplay, or just be a glorifed choose your own adventure game.

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bioshock infinite came out in 2013, detroit in 2018

I know, I was just using Detriot to illistrate the trend that story based games must not have gameplay, or just be a glorifed choose your own adventure game.

bioshock infinite has gameplay wtf?

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I know, I was just using Detriot to illistrate the trend that story based games must not have gameplay, or just be a glorifed choose your own adventure game.

bioshock infinite has gameplay wtf?

ok I think we are all confusing each other but my point is that basically, Bioshock should have been a immersive sim with rpg elements like system shock before it. There was no real reason to have dumbed it down to the point that they did. Prey 2017 manages to get rid of all the annoying things about system shock 2 while still keeping the feel and spirit of the game alive. There is no reason why bioshock should have been dumbed down at all.

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Its just a reflection of the direction of modern gaming. Which we obviously agree about. Was a 2008 game a step down from its 2000 subject material? Yes however it had new elements for immersion such as graphics and a glorius setting. It was an accessible change for sure. I also wish they could of just re made system shock with a modern engine it would be amazing.

I consider the prime era of gaming to be from roughly 1998-2008 when games where made by actual gamers who put their hearts and souls into their projects with passion. The fall off and difference between games between 2000 and 2008 was a pretty steady landslide of accesible catering to masses. However after 2008 games where seen as nothing more than business models for profit. So i agree that sure bioshock was a regression of its source material however by 2013 when Infinite was released, gaming had become an entirely different corporate beast and Infinite directly reflects this fact.

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Its just a reflection of the direction of modern gaming. Which we obviously agree about. Was a 2008 game a step down from its 2000 subject material? Yes however it had new elements for immersion such as graphics and a glorius setting. It was an accessible change for sure. I also wish they could of just re made system shock with a modern engine it would be amazing.

I consider the prime era of gaming to be from roughly 1998-2008 when games where made by actual gamers who put their hearts and souls into their projects with passion. The fall off and difference between games between 2000 and 2008 was a pretty steady landslide of accesible catering to masses. However after 2008 games where seen as nothing more than business models for profit. So i agree that sure bioshock was a regression of its source material however by 2013 when Infinite was released, gaming had become an entirely different corporate beast and Infinite directly reflects this fact.

Ddue, i got good news for you, they are. System shock remastered. I am hyped as ♥♥♥♥ for it.

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bioshock infinite has gameplay wtf?

ok I think we are all confusing each other but my point is that basically, Bioshock should have been a immersive sim with rpg elements like system shock before it. There was no real reason to have dumbed it down to the point that they did. Prey 2017 manages to get rid of all the annoying things about system shock 2 while still keeping the feel and spirit of the game alive. There is no reason why bioshock should have been dumbed down at all.

bioshock is not the sequel to system shock, and your hate for the game obviously stems from the belief that it is

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I honestly never played system shock it was before my time.. But its everything i want in a game minus the 2d sub 2000 graphics which are very hard to look past.

Its not a sequal but its based on the same underlying elements of System Shock in fact they are similar in alot of ways. Unlike Infinite.

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ok I think we are all confusing each other but my point is that basically, Bioshock should have been a immersive sim with rpg elements like system shock before it. There was no real reason to have dumbed it down to the point that they did. Prey 2017 manages to get rid of all the annoying things about system shock 2 while still keeping the feel and spirit of the game alive. There is no reason why bioshock should have been dumbed down at all.

bioshock is not the sequel to system shock, and your hate for the game obviously stems from the belief that it is

it may not be the sequal to system shock, but IT is the successor to system shock plain and simple. It deserves the hate for being a dumbed down version of a good game.

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bioshock is not the sequel to system shock, and your hate for the game obviously stems from the belief that it is

it may not be the sequal to system shock, but IT is the successor to system shock plain and simple. It deserves the hate for being a dumbed down version of a good game.

you know they are made by completely different devs right?

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it may not be the sequal to system shock, but IT is the successor to system shock plain and simple. It deserves the hate for being a dumbed down version of a good game.

you know they are made by completely different devs right?

You know that a simple google search will prove you wrong right? And not to mention a spiritual successor does not have to be made by the same dev?

First of all Irrational games (maker of Bioshock series) are made up of ex Looking Glass devs.
proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrational_Games
1997 – Irrational Games studio formed by former Looking Glass Studios employees Ken Levine, Jonathan Chey, and Robert Fermier.

Second of all, both LGS and Irrational worked on system shock 2 together/
Proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Shock_2
Developer(s) Irrational Games
Looking Glass Studios
The title was designed by Ken Levine and co-developed by Irrational Games and Looking Glass Studios

[Heresy]

All in all what im arguing mainly is the reflective regression of gaming since 2000 until today. Which the system shock> Bioshock> Bioshock Infinite evolution is a perfect example of. Which i think most people can agree on.

The fact that system shock was a materpeice and that Infinite was trash. Everything else was somewhere inbetween. Infinite isnt just a bad game it ruined a legacy.

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All in all what im arguing mainly is the reflective regression of gaming since 2000 until today. Which the system shock> Bioshock> Bioshock Infinite evolution is a perfect example of. Which i think most people can agree on.

The fact that system shock was a materpeice and that Infinite was trash. Everything else was somewhere inbetween. Infinite isnt just a bad game it ruined a legacy.

I would not say system shock was a masterpiece, it had it's issues, but I agree with you on the regression of gaming. It is not just bioshock, but also deus ex, command and conquor, and dawn of war.

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oh its the whole industry in general. this is just one example

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oh its the whole industry in general. this is just one example

nah, there are still some good companies out there. Mostly indie companies though

[Heresy]

yeah i mean read my OP specifially the conclusion