Question about Elizabeth. SPOILER ALERT.

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Is a better home awaiting
In the sky, in the sky?

I can't keep my tears. She has so miserable life and just in Paris she finally became happy and free.
But why she traded her life and happyness for a few childs, but why? She could save a lot of childs in a life. I thinking about it, and here's my options:

She looked in every door and she seen this is the only way to save childs?
Cuz she used girl to kill last Comstock?
Human factor?
All in one?

That feelings, she did not deserve this, cuz she was really good person and child in a soul. Episode 2 end is very dramatic what devs want to show, but
except this maybe they want to show what everything predestined and also the best go first
Trying to keep my tears.
sorry for my english

[Solarmech]

Elizabeth didn't do it to save just Sally. She did it to save all the the Little Sisters she could AND bring down the system and the people (Ryan, Fontaine and most of the people of Rapture) who exploited the Little Sisters. If Elizabeth had used Sally and then turned her back on her it would make her Elizabeth Comstock, NOT Elizabeth DeWitt. And to Elizabeth that is a fate worse than death.

And Elizabeth didn't have any real happiness. She had no friends, no family, no home. And most importantly *no Booker*. (A theme of BSI is that Booker and Elizabeth/Anna don't have good lives without each other. Remeber the Barbershop quartet near the start of the game singing "What would I de without you? Well we know.) Paris was a fantasy that she created to try and hide from what she had done. And even she states she wasn't really happy there. She was trying to fool herself into thinking she was happy. Elizabeth was a damaged person who eally didn't have anything to live for. But she found something worth dying for.

Also I don't think that the dev's were trying to show things are predestined at all. Elizabeth DID have a choice and she chose to do the right thing, pay her debt rather than turn and run away from what she had done. In a very real way Elizabeth took the path Booker did. She did something she considered horribly wrong and either could accept responsibility for it as Booker did or run away from it as Comtock did. This is also a big hint that after what happened in Raptue that Elizabeth goes back to being Anna in 1893 just as Booker went back to 1893 in the after credits scene in the main game. So Elizabeth may (should) not be really dead. sm

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Originally posted by Solarmech:

Elizabeth didn't do it to save just Sally. She did it to save all the the Little Sisters she could AND bring down the system and the people (Ryan, Fontaine and most of the people of Rapture) who exploited the Little Sisters. If Elizabeth had used Sally and then turned her back on her it would make her Elizabeth Comstock, NOT Elizabeth DeWitt. And to Elizabeth that is a fate worse than death.

And Elizabeth didn't have any real happiness. She had no friends, no family, no home. And most importantly *no Booker*. (A theme of BSI is that Booker and Elizabeth/Anna don't have good lives without each other. Remeber the Barbershop quartet near the start of the game singing "What would I de without you? Well we know.) Paris was a fantasy that she created to try and hide from what she had done. And even she states she wasn't really happy there. She was trying to fool herself into thinking she was happy. Elizabeth was a damaged person who eally didn't have anything to live for. But she found something worth dying for.

Also I don't think that the dev's were trying to show things are predestined at all. Elizabeth DID have a choice and she chose to do the right thing, pay her debt rather than turn and run away from what she had done. In a very real way Elizabeth took the path Booker did. She did something she considered horribly wrong and either could accept responsibility for it as Booker did or run away from it as Comtock did. This is also a big hint that after what happened in Raptue that Elizabeth goes back to being Anna in 1893 just as Booker went back to 1893 in the after credits scene in the main game. So Elizabeth may (should) not be really dead. sm

Didn't attach importance to the quartet. I think you are right, she tried to fool herself but she could not just forgot about last Comstock. She is so responsible and sensitive. I think she's alive but anyway i'm sad lol.
Btw
Would you kindly to explain, how did last Comstock survive after killing Booker(exactly person on whom we play) until choosing (You know, there is 2 ways starts but if Booker didn't chose and live in 1893 he didn't start Comstock line and "Bad Booker's life")?

[Midnight Dreams]

Its more sad some people abuse her in internet

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Originally posted by Midnight Dreams:

Its more sad some people abuse her in internet

A lot of ppl love her and me one of them.

[Solarmech]

Originally posted by mister anonister:

Would you kindly to explain, how did last Comstock survive after killing Booker(exactly person on whom we play) until choosing (You know, there is 2 ways starts but if Booker didn't chose and live in 1893 he didn't start Comstock line and "Bad Booker's life")?

I think you are asking why Comstock wasn't wiped from existence by Booker being killed in the Last Baptism. The reason is that when you travel to a new reality you become part of that new reality. Even if your old reality is wiped out or changed, you are not affected by it. It's like moving into a new house. If your old house burns down, all the stuff you moved does not get burned does it? Nope. Same thing with hoping realities in BSI. sm

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Originally posted by Solarmech:

Originally posted by mister anonister:

Would you kindly to explain, how did last Comstock survive after killing Booker(exactly person on whom we play) until choosing (You know, there is 2 ways starts but if Booker didn't chose and live in 1893 he didn't start Comstock line and "Bad Booker's life")?

I think you are asking why Comstock wasn't wiped from existence by Booker being killed in the Last Baptism. The reason is that when you travel to a new reality you become part of that new reality. Even if your old reality is wiped out or changed, you are not affected by it. It's like moving into a new house. If your old house burns down, all the stuff you moved does not get burned does it? Nope. Same thing with hoping realities in BSI. sm

I got it! When he travelled in Rapture he got "new house".
at the same time dead and alive. there's no reason: lived, live, will live .
That meant Lutece omg, I think I finally understand.
Thank you for reply.

[Ivlichnov]

I think that a version of Elizabeth did something so terrible in Rapture, that omnipresent Liz had to go back and fix what a version of herself had done wrong.

And when Liz' could see all of the doors, she could see that Sally and the Little Sisters would escape from Rapture.

Bioshock Infinite is also set in an Infinite Multiverse where every possibility is played out, there is a repeating cycle in that multiverse, which is represented by the Bioshock games.

And Bioshock Infinite was riffing on everything 'Shock that has gone before. Check out the earlier System Shock and Bioshock games.

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Originally posted by Ivlichnov:

I think that a version of Elizabeth did something so terrible in Rapture, that omnipresent Liz had to go back and fix what a version of herself had done wrong.

And when Liz' could see all of the doors, she could see that Sally and the Little Sisters would escape from Rapture.

Bioshock Infinite is also set in an Infinite Multiverse where every possibility is played out, there is a repeating cycle in that multiverse, which is represented by the Bioshock games.

And Bioshock Infinite was riffing on everything 'Shock that has gone before. Check out the earlier System Shock and Bioshock games.

Okay, I'll check them!

[munch15a]

Ive been saying this everywhere

I have only cried twice in my life when I was 9 I got hit by a bus and when I finished that game.

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Originally posted by munch15a:

Ive been saying this everywhere

I have only cried twice in my life when I was 9 I got hit by a bus and when I finished that game.

Anyway Eliz's sacrifice is the only way. Like a guy on upper said, she has bad life but she can't live without her father. Just think about a lot of Ana's who lives in happiness, you know they are
just like our Eliz. variables and constants. Such dramatic and at the same time happy ending. btw I cried a lot too. ♥♥♥♥ this unfair world

[Solarmech]

Originally posted by mister anonister:

Anyway Eliz's sacrifice is the only way. Like a guy on upper said, she has bad life but she can't live without her father. Just think about a lot of Ana's who lives in happiness, you know they are
just like our Eliz. variables and constants. Such dramatic and at the same time happy ending. btw I cried a lot too.

At the risk or repeating myself, there is something else to help soften the blow. What happened to Booker should also happen to Elizabeth. She would wake up in 1893 just as Bookier, did but as Anna. And isn't that they both wanted? sm

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Originally posted by Solarmech:

Originally posted by mister anonister:

Anyway Eliz's sacrifice is the only way. Like a guy on upper said, she has bad life but she can't live without her father. Just think about a lot of Ana's who lives in happiness, you know they are
just like our Eliz. variables and constants. Such dramatic and at the same time happy ending. btw I cried a lot too.

At the risk or repeating myself, there is something else to help soften the blow. What happened to Booker should also happen to Elizabeth. She would wake up in 1893 just as Bookier, did but as Anna. And isn't that they both wanted? sm

When I said about unfair I'm just a little confused and forgot about what "our" Eliz and Book together somewhere because I thought about other universes, don't pay attention :)

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Keep in mind that she nearly roasted sally alive just to get back at Comstock Booker

Those are some pretty sh*tty priorities.

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Originally posted by Giovanni:

Keep in mind that she nearly roasted sally alive just to get back at Comstock Booker

Those are some pretty sh*tty priorities.

I think, devs show it to us when she looking in a mirror. BTW, our Elizabeth didn't fry Sally, she didn't have medallion when she pull the lever. It was the only way (I think so, cuz Elizabeth see every door it means it was a better door, remember?) but she anyway couldn't do this.

[Solarmech]

Originally posted by Giovanni:

Keep in mind that she nearly roasted sally alive just to get back at Comstock Booker

Those are some pretty sh*tty priorities.

They are supposed to be that way. It's a way to show how badly Elizabeth was damaged by what she went through. And that despite that damage (or because of it) she went and did what she could to undo what she had done and break the cycle of abuse in Rapture. sm