can anyone explain the ending

[BRASIL IPHONE14REAL]

i finished it but i dont understand anything lol

[Solarmech]

Basically Comstock is an alternate version of Booker. When Booker went to the Baptism there were 2 choices he could make, reject the Baptism or accecpt it. If he rejects it Booker becomes the charater we play as. But some Bookers accept the baptism and are "reborn" as Comstock. And once there is a Cosmtock it's impossible to get rid of them since there will be a million million of them. So the only way to stop Comstock is to kill Booker, EVERY Booker who goes to the Baptism. Elizabeth merges all the Bookers into a single Booker with "our" Booker's mind dominant. Booker dies before he has a chance to make the decision and so there is no more Cosmtock. (This causes a Grandfather Paradox http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GrandfatherParadox )

Now there are two explantion for the end scene. #1 Because Booker died reality resets itself to remove the decision that creates the paradox. In effect Elizabeth forces the choice to accept or reject the baptism to *always* rejects it. (Chancges a variable to a constant) And what we see is a Booker in 1893 without a Comstock to take Anna away but Booker still has at least some of his memories of the game.

#2 The after credits scene is in a reality where Comstock has already taken Anna (the crib is empty) and the removal of Booker and Comstock has not happened yet. (Still a version of the original time line) There is actuall evidence that this is what happened for the original Burial at Sea stroyline. BUT something different happens when Cosmtock stuggles with Comstock at the portal. Booker wins and keeps Anna. So it's still a happy ending. sm

[Dawson]

Originally posted by Solarmech:

Basically Comstock is an alternate version of Booker. When Booker went to the Baptism there were 2 choices he could make, reject the Baptism or accecpt it. If he rejects it Booker becomes the charater we play as. But some Bookers accept the baptism and are "reborn" as Comstock. And once there is a Cosmtock it's impossible to get rid of them since there will be a million million of them. So the only way to stop Comstock is to kill Booker, EVERY Booker who goes to the Baptism. Elizabeth merges all the Bookers into a single Booker with "our" Booker's mind dominant. Booker dies before he has a chance to make the decision and so there is no more Cosmtock. (This causes a Grandfather Paradox http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GrandfatherParadox )

Now there are two explantion for the end scene. #1 Because Booker died reality resets itself to remove the decision that creates the paradox. In effect Elizabeth forces the choice to accept or reject the baptism to *always* rejects it. (Chancges a variable to a constant) And what we see is a Booker in 1893 without a Comstock to take Anna away but Booker still has at least some of his memories of the game.

#2 The after credits scene is in a reality where Comstock has already taken Anna (the crib is empty) and the removal of Booker and Comstock has not happened yet. (Still a version of the original time line) There is actuall evidence that this is what happened for the original Burial at Sea stroyline. BUT something different happens when Cosmtock stuggles with Comstock at the portal. Booker wins and keeps Anna. So it's still a happy ending. sm

So if we Booker accepts the baptism who are we playing in the game? Comstock? and if so how does he not know he's comstock himself? and how come we can see him at some points even though we are him? 2 comstocks in one world? why does everyone refer to him as booker after the baptism too? I feel like this game doesn't make sense

[Solarmech]

I guess you don't understand the basic concept of alternate realities. When Booker was at the baptism he had a choice, accept the Baptism or reject it. When he makes that decision two new realities are created from it. In one reality Booker rejects the baptism and that is the Booker we play in the game. In the other reality where Booker accepted the Baptism he drops the name Booker and takes the name Comstock. Two different realities and two different people. You get two different verision of a person in the same reality when one of them goes through a Tear to another reality. sm

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by Solarmech:

I guess you don't understand the basic concept of alternate realities. When Booker was at the baptism he had a choice, accept the Baptism or reject it. When he makes that decision two new realities are created from it. In one reality Booker rejects the baptism and that is the Booker we play in the game. In the other reality where Booker accepted the Baptism he drops the name Booker and takes the name Comstock. Two different realities and two different people. You get two different verision of a person in the same reality when one of them goes through a Tear to another reality. sm

Problem with that is that the explation is all BS unless you impose some rule which makes the central premise not apply when it is what allows alternate realities to exist. The ending works because they said it work, not because it follows the rules the game itself make.

[CloudSeeker]

If you ask me, don't worry about not getting the ending. No one does, those who claim they do are either lying. Those who are honest will claim they understand how it tries to be but in the end come to the conclusion it is just a illogical mess that doesn't follow its own rules and just make stuff up.


Okey here is the plot. Warning spoliers if you still care about this game.

Premise: Alternate reality exist
Alternate realities is a hypothesis to explain why things in this universe have the constants they do. Why do gravity scale with mass the way it does? Why isn't it different? So alternate realities explain that by saying they are not constants but variables and different realities exist the constants are different. Some realities work and some does, we just exist in one that works. As there is only a limited amount of ways to arrange a limited amounts of atoms therefore there must exist realities where the same exact atoms move in the same exact way and do the same choices. They are different from each other but they just behave in the same exact ways. However this can only happen when you have a INFINITE amount of realities as only then you can have such a huge sample size that 2 samples have to be duplicates.



Booker DeWitt join the army and become part of the 7th Cavalry Regiment of the United States Army. In his service he took part in the Wounded Knee Massacre of 1890. This cause a big problem from him. Booker then thought religion might be the way to overcome his problems. During his baptism he had a choice to accept it or reject it.

Senario 1:
Booker rejects the baptism. He has PTSD, have a child and gets into gambling debts.

Senario 2:
Booker accept it and becomes extremely religious. He find Rosalind Lutece who have found a way to look atoms in place and he funds her research into being able to bridge different realities to each other. He creates the floating city of Columbia with the help of Roslind Lutece. Rosalind Lutece is able to bridge 2 different realties and bring her male counterpart into the same reality. However because of the exposure Booker that goes under the name of Comstock have had with the reality tears he have become sterile and can't have children. Comstock uses the Lutece twins to buy Bookers child from Senario 1 which end with Elizabeth having her finger cut off. Later Comstock tries to have the Lutece twins killed which instead gets them stuck between different realities existing in all yet none of them.

The Lutece twins bring you into Comstocks world so you can take Elizabeth back only to find out Elizabeth can access different realities because she exist in Senario 1 and Senario 2 because of that finger that was cut off. You later find out that if Comstock is not stopped he will go mental and use Columbia to attack the US of A with his airship technology, something you want to stop.

To stop Comstock you need to stop Comstock from ever becoming Comstock which is according to Elizabeth to kill you, Booker DeWitt at the baptism as that was the branching path. That result in you dying, Comstock dying, stopping Columbia from ever being created, from tears to ever been dicovered and prevent Elizabeth from ever been born.



Problem:

1. Well lets first deal with the Grandfather Paradox. The Grandfather Paradox is when you go back in time and kill your Grandfather before your parents were born. The problem is that it will prevent you from being born, but it was you that killed your Grandfather so who killed your Grandfather as you can't when you don't exist. Same problem here. If Elizabeth kills you who killed you as she can't because she never existed to be able to do it.

2. The game keeps saying that there exist constants and variables. That is a flat out lie, it is just the writers trying to fool you into making stuff make sense since they don't know how to apply multile realities. Constants and variables is an invisable wall the writers have at their disposal to throw out whenever it is convenient for them to do so. Doesn't stop plotholes however since they claim that "if you are dead in another reality and alive in another you will go insane because of the disconect". However the problem there is that if you have that all people need to be alive or die at the same time in all realities which means you have no variables and only constants. You as the main character is dead in a few realities you jump into in the very game, so why are you not insane? If the game really have constants it doesn't mean the universe actully have constants, it might only mean Elizabeths ability to view different realities is limited to those realities which have the constants. Conclusion: constants and variables is BS and lies. It goes against the thing that allows multiples realities to even exist.

3. The tears have no defined rules, they do what the writers want them to do. Go back in time? No problem, there is a different reality that just happened to start 30 years later then the defining event that created it took place. Go forward in time? No problem, there is a different reality that just happened to start 30 years earlier then the defining event that created it took place. Go to different places? Absolutely. Who know that in another reality that Paris is located in the middle of the sky?

4. The games defining event isn't the defining event. The defining event was when Rosalind Lutece dicovered tears and started to use them. If you went back and killed Rosalind Lutece all of the game should never have happened if the game works with the logic it uses.

5. You can have stopped Booker from becoming Comstock in MANY other ways. You can have prevented Booker from joining the army. You can have wounded Booker so it wasn't able to be part of the Wounded Knee Massacre which prevents the baptism without killing him. Be creative here.

6. That booker became a drunk and got into a lot of gambling debts is not a constant, it is a constant because it have to for the game. Booker can have goten over his PTSD without religion and without getting into troubles, many people do it all the time. That Comstock becomes a religious nutcase is also not a constant. He can have just become a priest and nothing more.

7. The logic behind preventing Comstock from ever existing is seriously flawed. When you deal with multiple realities anything is possible, that means Comstock can have been a nice guy instead of a bad guy. Also exactly why do you from a different reality have anything to do with meddling in what you in other realities does in their reality? Hilter was bad in our reality, but what if he instead manage to get a education so he was able to become a architect when he wasn't able to get into art school? Maybe he also learnt that Jews and communists are not evil scums that need to be purged? Is it Hitlers job to go around and police all the evil hims in other realities?

8. Alternate realities and quantum mechanics are treated like magic that just do stuff without anyone knowing why. You can just replace it with God and miracles to be honst and it have the same result.

9. I can add more but this is to long already. The ending is seriously flawed and do not make sense. That is what happen when you deal with time travel, reality shifting and not defining exactly what a constant and how the world will react to it. You get plot holes everywhere.

[Ivlichnov]

My two favourite videos for explaining the ending.

Bioshock Infinite : Constants and Variables : Music video/Tribute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRz3QCYY0pE

SHOCK TREATMENT (The Big Picture)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaAx4kpH_V4

[jjstraka34]

Bioshock Infinite is a great, cinematic, at times jarring video game experience. But it's ending is just alternate universe clap-trap. It's the worst type of plot device. After all that, the best they can come up with is Booker is Comstock?? The problem with these types of plot devices is there are no rules at all. Nothng has to make sense, because the rules they want you to believe are in place are so obtuse that no one can reasonably understand them. But beyond that, let's go ahead and discuss Booker being Comstock. You'll recall that a significant portion of the early game deals with Slate rebelling against Comstock because of him falsifying his war record in regards to Wounded Knee. Well, we know for a FACT that Booker was at Wounded Knee, because that is the catalyst event for his choice to be baptized or not during the pivotal scene in the ending. So what the hell is Slate talking about?? If Booker is Comstock, then Comstock WAS at Wounded Knee.

Of course, the real explanation is that somehow this choice Booker made to not be baptized somehow split his being into two seperate realities and entites. One carried on as Booker, the other as Comstock. Why?? Who the hell knows. Because reasons.

[Ivlichnov]

As far as Slate is concerned, Booker was at Wounded Knee, but Comstock wasn't.

Slate didn't recognise Comstock as being a version of Booker.

Originally posted by jjstraka34:

Of course, the real explanation is that somehow this choice Booker made to not be baptized somehow split his being into two seperate realities and entites. One carried on as Booker, the other as Comstock. Why?? Who the hell knows. Because reasons.

This is all ties in with "The Many-Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics" by Bryce DeWitt.

Bioshock 1 had a theme of genetic science, but Bioshock Infinite was more about quantum mechanics.

[Solarmech]

ActuallI think Slate DID know Comstock had been Booker, but since he changed so much from the "old" Booker he does not consider him the same person. sm

[Ivlichnov]

Slate knew that Lady A. Comstock didn't love the child (as stated in Slate's diary), but I don't remember Slate making the connection that Comstock is Booker.

[:3]

lul