Original is overrated.

[Sharunas]

Just finished original re2 as leon a with hd mod and seamless HD mod. and i have to say it is a bit overrated since EVERY youtuber that has ever done a tier list always always puts OG re 2 at nr1 s+ tier above others. I think thats just really big nostalgia talking for them and they cant accept that the remake is better. you can even select the original soundrack in the remake theres that. What do you guys think ? I think people give too much credit for the originals cause of nostalgia and childhood.

[Dryspace]

Originally posted by Salander:

...but I'm still having a hard time getting into it because of how the gameplay feels for me (I prefer more "tighter" controls)

Do you mean that you prefer accurate, properly-coded controls? Or.... Do you mean something else?

Originally posted by Salander:

and how durable the zombies are.

Do you mean that the enemies are damage sponges? Bullet sponges? That it doesn't matter how accurate, how skillful you are... it only matters how many bullets you embed into the enemy's... spongey body?

[Salander]

I think the controls works fine, but they doesn't resonate all that well with me. It will be a little hard to describe sensations, but let me try:

One thing I like is being able to move the camera freely, in this way one can appreciate the work behind the character's model and grasp a better notion of your surroundings. However, the camera is also what affects the direction of movement so, if you want to check what's behind you or quickly traverse a staircase while running, it will cause your character to violently turn itself around. This in particular feels a little odd.

On the other hand is the way the shooting aspect is made. For what I understand until now: one is supposed to keep aiming until the reticle closes itself for maximum accuracy/damage, but every shot reset the position and also moves it a little. I get they're trying to... Well, "aim" (lol) for realism but it feels to me that this makes the gunplay being sluggish, slow.

That last thing could be linked to, yes, the zombies here being undoubtedly "bullet sponges" so it can take a lot to kill a single one. Furthermore it feels like there's also RNG in effect and one zombie can go down in three bullets while other can endure like eight well positioned headshots.

Just to clarify though, all this doesn't mean I find the game hard or that it's bad, as I totally get what they are trying to do here with making the combat "harder" on purpose: the OTS camera essentially kills the difficulty of the classic entries (0, 1, 2, 3, REmake) so, in order to mimmick the same approach of "fight or flight", they decided that enemies needed to be tougher, aiming takes more effort and that crippling limbs was the way to go. Although I far prefer the gameplay of RE4, RE5, Revelations and (to a lesser extent) Revelations 2 rather than the recent remakes.

[Dryspace]

Thanks for the reply.

"...it will cause your character to violently turn itself around. This in particular feels a little odd."

I think this is standard console game design.

"one is supposed to keep aiming until the reticle closes itself for maximum accuracy/damage, but every shot reset the position and also moves it a little."

"but every shot reset the position and also moves it a little. I get they're trying to... Well, "aim" (lol) for realism but it feels to me that this makes the gunplay being sluggish, slow."

Yes, these are absolutely inexcusable gameplay mechanics. When you are shooting a basketball, you don't want a device near the rim affecting whether your shot goes in or not.

[✪★☭☣ Your enemy]

Originally posted by Piggod:

Originally posted by ✪★☭☣ Your enemy:

Do you know why the original deleted?

She got harassed by remake deranged fanboys.

That's sad.
TBH, as an old gamer who played 2 and 3 first, I think 2R and 3R are good on their own but very bad remake and I completely agree with everything in the video.

[NeutronVortex]

Originally posted by Piggod:

No, original is not "overrated", otherwise it wouldn't have gotten a remake 20 years later.

Remake, while overall a good game, as a remake of RE2 failed quite badly. They didn't manage to recreate the biggest feature of og in the form of scenario system. They also butchered personalities and motivation of the characters. The new dialogue is sanitized and and voice acting is somehow worse than the original.

Other than that level design takes a note dive after the police station with NEST feeling unrealistic and too clean.

https://youtu.be/gFGDvXnrTSI?si=CpmQu--NDX0KJ128

Here's a great analysis on why it fails.

Thank you for posting this. She's on point.

[The real zero]

Originally posted by Piggod:

No, original is not "overrated", otherwise it wouldn't have gotten a remake 20 years later.

Remake, while overall a good game, as a remake of RE2 failed quite badly. They didn't manage to recreate the biggest feature of og in the form of scenario system. They also butchered personalities and motivation of the characters. The new dialogue is sanitized and and voice acting is somehow worse than the original.

Other than that level design takes a note dive after the police station with NEST feeling unrealistic and too clean.

https://youtu.be/gFGDvXnrTSI?si=CpmQu--NDX0KJ128

Here's a great analysis on why it fails.

that video is just a rant about feminism and not the actual gameplay or music or etc she hates how claire is sexualized and leon is too policeman… what a waste pf my time watching that video

[Narrowmind]

I wasn't going to say anything, but not everyone wants to like what we like. I have better things to spend my time on. I know the game is not perfect, but I enjoyed it a lot.

Some people prefer the strong woman lifting the laser cannon that weights several thousand pounds in Re3r. Wasn't for me, but whatever. I'll stick with my mysogynistic Re2r.

[Sharunas]

Originally posted by Sharas:

Originally posted by AEROBICiDE:

where can i play the orginal? (without a playstation console)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCm33e2VOqQ here is the guide for pc and you will get seamless HD visuals not that pixalated mess.
also download the game form ,,Google the following: "Download Biohazard 2 Sourcenext Internet Archive"
Press enter and click on the first link that appears.'' This works 100%.

ok so i went and watched the whole episode. the first 30 minutes was good about gameplay, zombie physics but then a pattern began showing... 80% of that video is just an angry woman saying that claire is too sexy with botox lips and sexy breasts and leon is too manly cop policeman oficer that does his duty... what ?? and then the whole video is just nonsence about feminism and how women are threated poorly. i didnt like that video since it didnt talk about gameplay much or graphics or soundtrack. just some story minuses and a lot of feminism. im not saying re2 original is bad its very good and i liked it ! but remake is just better.

[Salander]

Originally posted by Narrowmind:

Some people prefer the strong woman lifting the laser cannon that weights several thousand pounds in Re3r. Wasn't for me, but whatever. I'll stick with my mysogynistic Re2r.

I'm the type of person who likes to see strong and memorable characters and the Resident Evil series always had women who fell into both categories. Furthermore, in an era where female protagonists were rare they usually tried to include options (Jill/Chris, Claire/Leon, Jill, Claire/Chris, etc).

Ironically, I think RE3R missed the point by trying to make Jill a "badass" character when she already was one. They totally changed her for no reason and the Railgun Scene was out of place (considering how the remakes tends to aim for realism).

Originally posted by Sharas:

ok so i went and watched the whole episode. the first 30 minutes was good about gameplay, zombie physics but then a pattern began showing... 80% of that video is just an angry woman saying that claire is too sexy with botox lips and sexy breasts and leon is too manly cop policeman oficer that does his duty... what ?? and then the whole video is just nonsence about feminism and how women are threated poorly. i didnt like that video since it didnt talk about gameplay much or graphics or soundtrack. just some story minuses and a lot of feminism. im not saying re2 original is bad its very good and i liked it ! but remake is just better.

Oh yeah dude, you totally watched the whole video and "suspiciously" only repeated what Pasportaves already said about it... It seems you don't waste time with the baits.

[The real zero]

Originally posted by Salander:

Originally posted by Narrowmind:

Some people prefer the strong woman lifting the laser cannon that weights several thousand pounds in Re3r. Wasn't for me, but whatever. I'll stick with my mysogynistic Re2r.

I'm the type of person who likes to see strong and memorable characters and the Resident Evil series always had women who fell into both categories. Furthermore, in an era where female protagonists were rare they usually tried to include options (Jill/Chris, Claire/Leon, Jill, Claire/Chris, etc).

Ironically, I think RE3R missed the point by trying to make Jill a "badass" character when she already was one. They totally changed her for no reason and the Railgun Scene was out of place (considering how the remakes tends to aim for realism).

Originally posted by Sharas:

ok so i went and watched the whole episode. the first 30 minutes was good about gameplay, zombie physics but then a pattern began showing... 80% of that video is just an angry woman saying that claire is too sexy with botox lips and sexy breasts and leon is too manly cop policeman oficer that does his duty... what ?? and then the whole video is just nonsence about feminism and how women are threated poorly. i didnt like that video since it didnt talk about gameplay much or graphics or soundtrack. just some story minuses and a lot of feminism. im not saying re2 original is bad its very good and i liked it ! but remake is just better.

Oh yeah dude, you totally watched the whole video and "suspiciously" only repeated what Pasportaves already said about it... It seems you don't waste time with the baits.

maybe we are the same person with 2 accounts ? who knows :)

[Sharunas]

Originally posted by Salander:

Originally posted by Narrowmind:

Some people prefer the strong woman lifting the laser cannon that weights several thousand pounds in Re3r. Wasn't for me, but whatever. I'll stick with my mysogynistic Re2r.

I'm the type of person who likes to see strong and memorable characters and the Resident Evil series always had women who fell into both categories. Furthermore, in an era where female protagonists were rare they usually tried to include options (Jill/Chris, Claire/Leon, Jill, Claire/Chris, etc).

Ironically, I think RE3R missed the point by trying to make Jill a "badass" character when she already was one. They totally changed her for no reason and the Railgun Scene was out of place (considering how the remakes tends to aim for realism).

Originally posted by Sharas:

ok so i went and watched the whole episode. the first 30 minutes was good about gameplay, zombie physics but then a pattern began showing... 80% of that video is just an angry woman saying that claire is too sexy with botox lips and sexy breasts and leon is too manly cop policeman oficer that does his duty... what ?? and then the whole video is just nonsence about feminism and how women are threated poorly. i didnt like that video since it didnt talk about gameplay much or graphics or soundtrack. just some story minuses and a lot of feminism. im not saying re2 original is bad its very good and i liked it ! but remake is just better.

Oh yeah dude, you totally watched the whole video and "suspiciously" only repeated what Pasportaves already said about it... It seems you don't waste time with the baits.

yeah who knows :). but the truth is i did watch the whole video.

[Salander]

Imagine having three different accounts (counting the one from RE5's forums) with money on them... *sigh*

Anyways, I better go play some more RE instead of keep wasting time with you. Good luck.

[Sharunas]

Originally posted by Salander:

Imagine having three different accounts (counting the one from RE5's forums) with money on them... *sigh*

Anyways, I better go play some more RE instead of keep wasting time with you. Good luck.

so what ? you can only imagine while others are doing it haha :D you dont have to be mad, i like re 2 original i beat it recently but its overrated comapred to 2 remake thats my opinion you can have yours lets not argue. they are both great games.

[Narrowmind]

Originally posted by Salander:

I'm the type of person who likes to see strong and memorable characters and the Resident Evil series always had women who fell into both categories. Furthermore, in an era where female protagonists were rare they usually tried to include options (Jill/Chris, Claire/Leon, Jill, Claire/Chris, etc).

Ironically, I think RE3R missed the point by trying to make Jill a "badass" character when she already was one. They totally changed her for no reason and the Railgun Scene was out of place (considering how the remakes tends to aim for realism).

Yes, agreed. I actually think she was more heroic in the original, despite having the miniskirt and boots, which was only icing anyway.

[finlandslim]

Originally posted by Sharas:

Originally posted by Sharas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCm33e2VOqQ here is the guide for pc and you will get seamless HD visuals not that pixalated mess.
also download the game form ,,Google the following: "Download Biohazard 2 Sourcenext Internet Archive"
Press enter and click on the first link that appears.'' This works 100%.

ok so i went and watched the whole episode. the first 30 minutes was good about gameplay, zombie physics but then a pattern began showing... 80% of that video is just an angry woman saying that claire is too sexy with botox lips and sexy breasts and leon is too manly cop policeman oficer that does his duty... what ?? and then the whole video is just nonsence about feminism and how women are threated poorly. i didnt like that video since it didnt talk about gameplay much or graphics or soundtrack. just some story minuses and a lot of feminism. im not saying re2 original is bad its very good and i liked it ! but remake is just better.

Why are you posting the same nonsense from two different accounts? She's criticizing Character models that look bad, not sexy. There's nothing sexy about nu Claire, in fact her outfit and figure was made less appealing.
She criticise her personality change compared to og, same for Leon. She isn't saying he's "manly", she's saying he doesn't act like a normal human in critical situation.
Looks like you have troubles comprehending spoken English because non of what you've said was in the video.