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Hardtarget01 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 1:51
Correct way is still Claire A/Leon B ?
Like in the original game.
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Shiroi Ren 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 3:21 
引用自 Teddy
Why does it matter who does what first? I don't understand this argument.
Well, if you look at the escape part of the game... Claire is always faster: door opened and you can see her activating train.
最后由 Shiroi Ren 编辑于; 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 3:22
NChabb 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 3:26 
引用自 Teddy
Why does it matter who does what first? I don't understand this argument.

Because it helps determine in what order the story unfolds. Original Resident Evil 2 games had a "second story" mode (called "B scenario") where you actually experienced the other side of the coin with the second character. Events that happened in the "B scenario" mirrorred things that happened in A.

It was later determined that Claire A and Leon B was canon.

REMake2 somewhat blurred the line a little bit, with 2nd story being extremely diluted in the story department. As such it's harder to determine if there's a canon version. So we pay attention to small minor details.

Claire opening the cabinet for the vaccine happens in either scenario, and for both of Leon's stories the cabinet is already open. It implies Claire arrived first and Leon second. From that alone we can only guess Claire arrived at the lab earlier. And from there, with other arguments, we come to the conclusion that Claire 1st and Leon 2nd just makes more sense, story-wise.
最后由 NChabb 编辑于; 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 3:27
ScottyDon't 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 3:37 
引用自 Shiroi Ren
引用自 ScottyDon't
This achievement is for completing Leon A then Claire B. Seeing as it's the "true" ending it would appear Leon A Claire B is the "correct" way.
This achievement for completing scenarios A and B. I got it for Claire A and B. By your logic the true path is CLAIRE A and CLAIRE B.

Just re-read the achievement, I'd only done Leon A/Claire B and wasn't expecting such a lazy achievement -.-

My logic was clearly Leon A then Claire B as that's what I expected the achievement to be after not completing Leon B at the time. Maybe you should work for Capcom with such lazy thinking :P
Super 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 3:38 
An argument for Leon A and Claire B would be...

When Leon enters the kennel all the dogs are living.

When Claire enters the kennel all the dogs are dead due to lickers.

Which might conclude Leon got to the station first... and left the station first.

Claire gets ahead of Leon when Leon passes out in the sewers.

Claire obviously gets in front of Leon towards the end.

I like to think Leon gets to the RPD first... but then trails behind Claire after he wakes up in the sewers.
Shiroi Ren 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 3:44 
I actually made mental gymnastics based on some events:
-Leon got to the Car Parking first (because of dogs)
-Claire got to Sewers first (because you hear the lift crashing when you got to see gator)
-Claire got to the West Wing Lab first (becuase medalion seems to be already here)
-Claire got out of NEST first (because of train activation video feedback)
最后由 Shiroi Ren 编辑于; 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 3:45
NChabb 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 3:48 
引用自 SuperToxicBeast
An argument for Leon A and Claire B would be...

When Leon enters the kennel all the dogs are living.

When Claire enters the kennel all the dogs are dead due to lickers.

Which might conclude Leon got to the station first... and left the station first.

Good point regarding the dogs. While they remain dead for either Claire scenarios, it can be used as an evidence that Leon arrived there first, somehow.

But I wouldn't assume it's meant for Leon A just yet. It's entirely possible for Claire to arrive there in 2nd despite arriving at the station first. Let's not forget that Leon has access to the hallway behind the shutters where David get killed in Leon 2nd.

While, -technically-, Leon B still leave through the secret room... Just like OG RE2 we shouldn't take puzzle repetition at face value. I'm inclined to believe Leon got to the basement first, in his own non-canon ways, through the basement door.

引用自 Shiroi Ren
I actually made mental gymnastics based on some events:
-Leon got to the Car Parking first (because of dogs)
-Claire got to Sewers first (because you hear the lift crashing when you got to see gator)
-Claire got to the West Wing Lab first (becuase medalion seems to be already here)
-Claire got out of NEST first (because of train activation video feedback)

Yeah that's my take too. Regarding hearing the lift crashing... Are you sure? To me it always sounded like tremors caused by the gator. Leon is too far away (according to the map) from the orphanage's basement to hear anything.
最后由 NChabb 编辑于; 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 3:50
Super 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 3:57 
The only thing consistent about RE 2s Canon... is its inconsistencies.
GodOfWarUltimate 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 4:17 
I remenber in RE2 por PSX, the quickest way to end the game was LeonA / ClaireB, but we need finish in both scenarios in this remake.
genesis9361 2023 年 7 月 1 日 下午 12:57 
It's always Leon A Claire B it's Leon's origin story after all
Dead Pixel 2023 年 7 月 10 日 上午 5:31 
引用自 genesis9361
It's always Leon A Claire B it's Leon's origin story after all
No. In classic RE2, the canonical play through was Claire A/Leon B. This was even confirmed by Capcom back in the day. But with the remakes, it seems as though Leon is the canonical RE2 play through. Especially with his backstory given in RE4 remake. Leon has the knife that Lieutenant Branagh gave him in RE2 remake, for example. And it shows Branagh during the opening cutscene of RE4. And Leon only meets Branagh and receives the knife from him during Leon’s “A” scenario. During Leon’s “2nd Run” scenario, Branagh is already a zombie when Leon gets to the police station.
最后由 Dead Pixel 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 10 日 上午 5:32
KramerNunez 2024 年 2 月 8 日 上午 1:09 
引用自 Dead Pixel
引用自 genesis9361
It's always Leon A Claire B it's Leon's origin story after all
No. In classic RE2, the canonical play through was Claire A/Leon B. This was even confirmed by Capcom back in the day. But with the remakes, it seems as though Leon is the canonical RE2 play through. Especially with his backstory given in RE4 remake. Leon has the knife that Lieutenant Branagh gave him in RE2 remake, for example. And it shows Branagh during the opening cutscene of RE4. And Leon only meets Branagh and receives the knife from him during Leon’s “A” scenario. During Leon’s “2nd Run” scenario, Branagh is already a zombie when Leon gets to the police station.
That's actually a really good point... man I'm not sure I wanna play B stories, I finished A for both Leon and Claire and I heard there was a secret ending that was the true ending if you do B stories... umm and what is the thing that tries to get in the train after credits?🤔
Seamus 2024 年 2 月 8 日 上午 10:38 
引用自 KramerNunez
That's actually a really good point... man I'm not sure I wanna play B stories, I finished A for both Leon and Claire and I heard there was a secret ending that was the true ending if you do B stories... umm and what is the thing that tries to get in the train after credits?🤔
That's the actual final boss.

And, yes. With how RE4 remake works, Leon A/Claire B is the new route.
WuffWabbit 2024 年 2 月 10 日 下午 7:37 
Late here, but for the remake there seems to be more that points to Leon first and Claire second being the intended route, given that the story doesn't change like in the original game.

The main points being:

- that Leon is shown to have gotten Marvin's knife in RE4R, which only happens if you play Leon first.
- Leon's route through the parking garage happens first, since he always fights dogs and Claire always fights Lickers which are shown to have come AFTER and are actively feasting on said dog corpses.
- Claire seeing the Licker in the window, only happens in Claire second and a callback to the original moment in Claire A.
- Leon first and Claire second allows for Leon to be the one to kill Mr. X and Claire to kill Birkin, which evenly distributes them.
- Leon's run sets up more questions than answers when it comes to Irons, Sherry, and Annette. Narratively, it makes more sense to play Leon first.

That said, the OVERALL story is always the same, but you can tell they designed it to play Leon first this time around.
Shocker 2024 年 2 月 11 日 上午 3:46 
There is no such thing as A/B scenario in this time. They contradict each other completely. Even Capcom confirmed that every scenario plays in an alternate universe compared to each other.

https://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/capcom-confirms-resident-evil-2/
最后由 Shocker 编辑于; 2024 年 2 月 11 日 上午 3:48
Unmotivated 2024 年 2 月 13 日 下午 10:58 
引用自 Dead Pixel
引用自 genesis9361
It's always Leon A Claire B it's Leon's origin story after all
No. In classic RE2, the canonical play through was Claire A/Leon B. This was even confirmed by Capcom back in the day. But with the remakes, it seems as though Leon is the canonical RE2 play through. Especially with his backstory given in RE4 remake. Leon has the knife that Lieutenant Branagh gave him in RE2 remake, for example. And it shows Branagh during the opening cutscene of RE4. And Leon only meets Branagh and receives the knife from him during Leon’s “A” scenario. During Leon’s “2nd Run” scenario, Branagh is already a zombie when Leon gets to the police station.
may i remind you that they did this same thing in RE Code Veronica and RE3 Nemesis? in each game, it was directly stated that Chris and Jill individually took down the Tyrant respectively, so either they were both there to fight the Tyrant together (which would make sense but also be silly, considering in each scenario of the first game, one of them was locked up) or Capcom is picking apart the canon events again like they did before.

we'll know when Code Veronica comes around, but with there being no real explicit details either way other than the opening cutscene to RE4R and the knife's description, i'm inclined to believe that neither route is directly canon, especially considering most story events in RE2R happen regardless of scenario direction. you always fight the same bosses, you always go the same individual routes and always meet the same characters. all that really changes between the scenarios is the order of events in a given playthrough, and even that tends to be inconsistent because you still fight the same bosses twice in their same locations on scenario B.

to summarize: this is an asinine fustercluck.
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