how the ♥♥♥♥ am i gonna complete the game in under 3.5 hours?

[Panzer]

i want that infinite ammo samurai but jesus ♥♥♥♥ how will I finish that quickkly

[UncleRamen]

OP kind of asked for advice to unlock the unlockables and here we have a debate on cheating in speed run. Here is a few fair points I'll make:

1. GDQ is an event to entertain, not to compete. Many speed runs are done based on a set rules whether it's any % or 100% etc. Most of the runners that feature there are just there to entertain, they normally don't play their best and just show case some tips and tricks. I have seen many of them goof around just to cheer the crowd.

2. People like Bawkbasoup, Hazeblade have speed run entries in multiple RE games high on the table. It would be disrespectful to discredit them. Not only do they do speed runs, they also do challenges which are not easy to achieve, to say they cannot complete the game without glitch is not an argument. Bawkbasoup has even done a run where every zombie is Mr X without using infinite weapon. That was by no means easy.

3. Glitching in a speed run is like a category. If you were to enter a motorcycle racing competition that clearly states that 1000cc engine is allowed, would you bring a 400cc motorcycle? The only shame I find on speedrun.com is that they have the Any% and Handgun% but not the NoKnife%. I thought it would be an interesting category. The current world record speedrunner for RE2R Orchlon has done one without knife on boss, but sadly it is not a category made on speedrun.com

[Bullett00th]

Originally posted by Just Aaron:

Originally posted by Bullett00th:

Generally speedruns are about beating the game as fast as possible, all ends and means justified.

They revolve about knowing and utilizing some of the game's exploits and often involve going out of bounds of the level, gaining mad speeds through rocket jumping or bunnyhopping, exploiting NPCs etc etc.

RE games offer 'proper' speedrun options that are based purely on the player's knowledge of the game mechanics, locations and items, planning an optimal route and executing it, all of which is done within the confines of the game's ruleset.

I think I get what you`re saying. I guess I`m just not impressed by it. Why would anyone care who is the worlds fastest at cheating. Just doesn`t seem like a big accomplishment.

It is though. Like Panic Fire said, it requires deep knowledge of the game and skill to pull off. It's sort of an 'under the hood tinkering' thing.

But again, there's this and then there's RE speedrunning without glitching.

[Just Aaron]

Originally posted by Bullett00th:

Originally posted by Just Aaron:

I think I get what you`re saying. I guess I`m just not impressed by it. Why would anyone care who is the worlds fastest at cheating. Just doesn`t seem like a big accomplishment.

It is though. Like Panic Fire said, it requires deep knowledge of the game and skill to pull off. It's sort of an 'under the hood tinkering' thing.

But again, there's this and then there's RE speedrunning without glitching.

You ever seen that guy play through all the Dark Souls games with out getting hit a single time? He played through every single one of them back to back without using glitches. How about the guy who did a speed run on Mega Man 3 without dieing? Gemini mans stage is a nightmare even when using a Game Genie. This guy did it without using any cheats. Then you have Carcinogen. Played through Resident Evil 7 on the hardest possible difficulty with out using the circular saw and without dieing. He also did this live at GDQ. I could go on. Castlevania has some insane speedruns that don`t involve cheating. I saw this one guy play through the battletoads turbo tunnel blindfolded.

That`s what skill and talent looks like. Those are pro gamers. Not some guy using infinite ammo, infinite health, or a knife that kills everything in one hit.

But alas. That`s just the way I see it. I respect everyones opinon so I`ll leave it at that. (Unless you`d like to continue this conversation.)

[UncleRamen]

Originally posted by Just Aaron:

You ever seen that guy play through all the Dark Souls games with out getting hit a single time? He played through every single one of them back to back without using glitches. How about the guy who did a speed run on Mega Man 3 without dieing? Gemini mans stage is a nightmare even when using a Game Genie. This guy did it without using any cheats. Then you have Carcinogen. Played through Resident Evil 7 on the hardest possible difficulty with out using the circular saw and without dieing. He also did this live at GDQ. I could go on. Castlevania has some insane speedruns that don`t involve cheating. I saw this one guy play through the battletoads turbo tunnel blindfolded.

That`s what skill and talent looks like. Those are pro gamers. Not some guy using infinite ammo, infinite health, or a knife that kills everything in one hit.

But alas. I respect everyones opinon so I`ll leave it at that. (Unless you`d like to continue this conversation.)

To run without damage is a feat, to run at the fastest speed possible is also a feat. It's just different aspect of the accomplishment. Take one of the oldest speed running game in the community as an example, Super Mario Bros has warpless%, any% meaning players can choose to compete in different categories. Many of the top scores also involve walking through certain walls glitch because the rules allowed them. Activating the glitch is not an easy feat by the way as it requires pixel perfect execution to step on the wall.

CarcinogenSDA is one of the most respected RE player and so is Bawkbasoup, Hazeblade and say JTB. They have all been massive streamers, guide makers, made challenge attempts like no damage, knife only, all kills etc. They have good knowledge and execution. What they normally do at events at GDQ is more like a showcase of what can be done given a set rules. Can't really say they are not skilled at that.

More importantly, speed running has changed a lot. 2D platformers like Super Mario Bros and Megaman 3 are very old games with fixed AI. The runners in those games spend hours perfecting their execution through a fixed sequence. Newer games like RE2R and Dark Souls have dynamic AI where enemies attack in unfixed pattern some times. So that also changed how speed runners approach the games.

[Bullett00th]

Originally posted by Just Aaron:

That`s what skill and talent looks like. Those are pro gamers. Not some guy using infinite ammo, infinite health, or a knife that kills everything in one hit.

Not talking about these, these aren't speedruns.
More about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnFjTG9J-T8

So it's not about skill in Half-Life, because Half-Life 2 isn't a heavily skill-based game, but about knowing its nooks and crannies of the tech. Just a different kind of speedrun

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Originally posted by Just Aaron:

Originally posted by Bullett00th:

It is though. Like Panic Fire said, it requires deep knowledge of the game and skill to pull off. It's sort of an 'under the hood tinkering' thing.

But again, there's this and then there's RE speedrunning without glitching.

You ever seen that guy play through all the Dark Souls games with out getting hit a single time? He played through every single one of them back to back without using glitches. How about the guy who did a speed run on Mega Man 3 without dieing? Gemini mans stage is a nightmare even when using a Game Genie. This guy did it without using any cheats. Then you have Carcinogen. Played through Resident Evil 7 on the hardest possible difficulty with out using the circular saw and without dieing. He also did this live at GDQ. I could go on. Castlevania has some insane speedruns that don`t involve cheating. I saw this one guy play through the battletoads turbo tunnel blindfolded.

That`s what skill and talent looks like. Those are pro gamers. Not some guy using infinite ammo, infinite health, or a knife that kills everything in one hit.

But alas. That`s just the way I see it. I respect everyones opinon so I`ll leave it at that. (Unless you`d like to continue this conversation.)

This isn't really a matter of opinion. You're effectively ignoring all the metaphors, explanations, etc that are trying to demonstrate that "cheating" doesn't mean what you think it means in these specific speed run contexts. Speed runs are about challenges under specific, agreed-upon conditions.

If you insist on bringing up how challenging no-cheat speed runs can be, are you really saying that this technique is easy:


https://wiki.sourceruns.org/wiki/Accelerated_Back_Hopping

And can you backwards long jump the stairs in Super Mario 64? I know I certainly can't. Even though that's cheating.

[nesagsar]

Nothing you have to do in this game is anywhere as difficult as it was in the original and I pulled it off many times back then.