An explanation for all the xenophobic XCOM players here

[BeanTheWaif]

I say xenophobic in a light sense here, mainly wanting to discuss with the part of the community that is full on "DEATH TO ALL ALIENS" and wondering why the aliens have integrated into society in the story after XCOM 2.

People seem to forget one very important thing that wasn't talked about that much yet its very integral to the story: The Elders had complete control over all alien species. The aliens were not thinking for themselves, and were under complete and total mind control by the Elders. When defeated them, or at least drove them back, their control was relinquished and the aliens were set free. Also, people don't seem to even want to acknowledge that there were some Advent groups that aided XCOM in WOTC.

5 years is still quite a long time, and it would make sense that only just now we would have established a somewhat stable (yet very uneasy) alliance with the aliens and XCOM would have most definitely been a part of the integration program set in place to welcome and integrate aliens into society.

[Zylon]

Originally posted by Bean the Waif:

I say xenophobic in a light sense here, mainly wanting to discuss with the part of the community that is full on "DEATH TO ALL ALIENS" and wondering why the aliens have integrated into society in the story after XCOM 2.

People seem to forget one very important thing that wasn't talked about that much yet its very integral to the story: The Elders had complete control over all alien species. The aliens were not thinking for themselves, and were under complete and total mind control by the Elders. When defeated them, or at least drove them back, their control was relinquished and the aliens were set free. Also, people don't seem to even want to acknowledge that there were some Advent groups that aided XCOM in WOTC.

5 years is still quite a long time, and it would make sense that only just now we would have established a somewhat stable (yet very uneasy) alliance with the aliens and XCOM would have most definitely been a part of the integration program set in place to welcome and integrate aliens into society.

Xenophobia is a made up word that means nothing.
Next XCOM has lore and we played thousands of hours through all XCOM games.

Lessons learned, the only good alien is a dead alien.
Aliens, hybrids, human traitors all have to die.
Not just on earth, but invade their homeworld for total annihilation.
Let the great purge begin.

And this spinoff spits in the face of everything we every fought for in XCOM for humanity.

[Oku]

Originally posted by SamBC:

There are plenty of 40k players who appreciate it in a more nuanced way and appreciate that literally everyone is either evil or a stooge (even the Emperor, while he was properly alive, was pursuing a noble goal by the most monstrous of methods, and ones that were obviously going to fail). Except possibly the Orks. There's not usually any actual malice in them, they're just having their own idea of fun, and will have it with each other as readily as anyone else most of the time.

They just hang around in different parts of the internet.

Oh yeah I'm not saying all 40k players, just that when that was going around it was pretty obvious that there was ulterior motives to many people who were in to the setting once you asked them to elaborate on why that bothered them so much. Plenty of people are capable of shredding Orks in Space Marine with Sabaton blaring at max volume while still being able to take a step back and go "yeah ♥♥♥♥ the Imperium actually, good guys don't exist in that setting".

[SamBC]

Originally posted by Zylon:

Originally posted by Bean the Waif:

I say xenophobic in a light sense here, mainly wanting to discuss with the part of the community that is full on "DEATH TO ALL ALIENS" and wondering why the aliens have integrated into society in the story after XCOM 2.

People seem to forget one very important thing that wasn't talked about that much yet its very integral to the story: The Elders had complete control over all alien species. The aliens were not thinking for themselves, and were under complete and total mind control by the Elders. When defeated them, or at least drove them back, their control was relinquished and the aliens were set free. Also, people don't seem to even want to acknowledge that there were some Advent groups that aided XCOM in WOTC.

5 years is still quite a long time, and it would make sense that only just now we would have established a somewhat stable (yet very uneasy) alliance with the aliens and XCOM would have most definitely been a part of the integration program set in place to welcome and integrate aliens into society.

Xenophobia is a made up word that means nothing.

I mean, it's been attested since the early 20th century at least and is generally accepted by pretty much every dictionary of English. But sure, it doesn't mean anything...

(Actually, it means fear or hatred of strangers or foreigners)

[Oku]

Originally posted by Zylon:

Originally posted by Bean the Waif:

I say xenophobic in a light sense here, mainly wanting to discuss with the part of the community that is full on "DEATH TO ALL ALIENS" and wondering why the aliens have integrated into society in the story after XCOM 2.

People seem to forget one very important thing that wasn't talked about that much yet its very integral to the story: The Elders had complete control over all alien species. The aliens were not thinking for themselves, and were under complete and total mind control by the Elders. When defeated them, or at least drove them back, their control was relinquished and the aliens were set free. Also, people don't seem to even want to acknowledge that there were some Advent groups that aided XCOM in WOTC.

5 years is still quite a long time, and it would make sense that only just now we would have established a somewhat stable (yet very uneasy) alliance with the aliens and XCOM would have most definitely been a part of the integration program set in place to welcome and integrate aliens into society.

Xenophobia is a made up word that means nothing.
Next XCOM has lore and we played thousands of hours through all XCOM games.

Lessons learned, the only good alien is a dead alien.
Aliens, hybrids, human traitors all have to die.
Not just on earth, but invade their homeworld for total annihilation.
Let the great purge begin.

And this spinoff spits in the face of everything we every fought for in XCOM for humanity.

Lmfao good grief...

[Vox Doom]

Originally posted by Zylon:

Originally posted by Bean the Waif:

I say xenophobic in a light sense here, mainly wanting to discuss with the part of the community that is full on "DEATH TO ALL ALIENS" and wondering why the aliens have integrated into society in the story after XCOM 2.

People seem to forget one very important thing that wasn't talked about that much yet its very integral to the story: The Elders had complete control over all alien species. The aliens were not thinking for themselves, and were under complete and total mind control by the Elders. When defeated them, or at least drove them back, their control was relinquished and the aliens were set free. Also, people don't seem to even want to acknowledge that there were some Advent groups that aided XCOM in WOTC.

5 years is still quite a long time, and it would make sense that only just now we would have established a somewhat stable (yet very uneasy) alliance with the aliens and XCOM would have most definitely been a part of the integration program set in place to welcome and integrate aliens into society.

Xenophobia is a made up word that means nothing.
Next XCOM has lore and we played thousands of hours through all XCOM games.

Lessons learned, the only good alien is a dead alien.
Aliens, hybrids, human traitors all have to die.
Not just on earth, but invade their homeworld for total annihilation.
Let the great purge begin.

And this spinoff spits in the face of everything we every fought for in XCOM for humanity.

Well you didn't pay attention to that lore did you?

The Ethereals were pulling the strings of every antagonistic race in the games. The same fate was happening to humanity it 2 until we killed the Ethereals and set free all the races. To turn around and kill those enslaved races would be disgusting and totally against XCOM values.

[Vox Doom]

Originally posted by Seraphim Order:

All of the dumbed-down, genetically modified, test-tube created soldiers of the Elders' armies, were dumbed-down intentionally, so that the Elders could much easier control them. Their intelligence is based on instinct - Dolphins and dogs are smarter and have more will power than they do. Do any pro-alien people here support voting writes for dogs and cats? No! But you hypocrites, either own a pet or see no issue with humans putting collars and leashes on other terrestrial creatures, yet you want to have stupid mutton with more rights than pets.

You do know that the only alien on the team who doesn't have human DNA is Torque, the viper right? And that she doesn't have snake DNA, she's wholly alien, and that Vipers are shown to be intelligent, right? Right?

[NeeLot]

Originally posted by Vox Doom:

Originally posted by Seraphim Order:

All of the dumbed-down, genetically modified, test-tube created soldiers of the Elders' armies, were dumbed-down intentionally, so that the Elders could much easier control them. Their intelligence is based on instinct - Dolphins and dogs are smarter and have more will power than they do. Do any pro-alien people here support voting writes for dogs and cats? No! But you hypocrites, either own a pet or see no issue with humans putting collars and leashes on other terrestrial creatures, yet you want to have stupid mutton with more rights than pets.

You do know that the only alien on the team who doesn't have human DNA is Torque, the viper right? And that she doesn't have snake DNA, she's wholly alien, and that Vipers are shown to be intelligent, right? Right?

Probably worth mentioning, but I remember hearing in the game that vipers in XCOM 2 are in their original unmodified form and in Alien Hunters we get to learn how they reproduce and it's not through test tube.

[Aldaris]

Originally posted by Seraphim Order:

@ Ark The dragon - why are you even trolling comments if you won't read them - a text wall of well thought out arguments, none of which you can make even a mediocre counter-argument against... The only ranting cry-baby is you.

I mean, they weren't well thought out. They said xenophobia is a made up word.

[Zylon]

Originally posted by Vox Doom:

Originally posted by Zylon:

Xenophobia is a made up word that means nothing.
Next XCOM has lore and we played thousands of hours through all XCOM games.

Lessons learned, the only good alien is a dead alien.
Aliens, hybrids, human traitors all have to die.
Not just on earth, but invade their homeworld for total annihilation.
Let the great purge begin.

And this spinoff spits in the face of everything we every fought for in XCOM for humanity.

Well you didn't pay attention to that lore did you?

The Ethereals were pulling the strings of every antagonistic race in the games. The same fate was happening to humanity it 2 until we killed the Ethereals and set free all the races. To turn around and kill those enslaved races would be disgusting and totally against XCOM values.

irrelevant if someone on top gives the orders and the rest of the aliens only follow orders.
Any attack on humanity from an outer world force means an all out war. None of them will survive.

[Oku]

Originally posted by Zylon:

Originally posted by Vox Doom:

Well you didn't pay attention to that lore did you?

The Ethereals were pulling the strings of every antagonistic race in the games. The same fate was happening to humanity it 2 until we killed the Ethereals and set free all the races. To turn around and kill those enslaved races would be disgusting and totally against XCOM values.

irrelevant if someone on top gives the orders and the rest of the aliens only follow orders.
Any attack on humanity from an outer world force means an all out war. None of them will survive.

You need to lay off the 40k fanfiction for a bit, pal.

[KobunFan]

Originally posted by SamBC:

There are plenty of 40k players who appreciate it in a more nuanced way and appreciate that literally everyone is either evil or a stooge (even the Emperor, while he was properly alive, was pursuing a noble goal by the most monstrous of methods, and ones that were obviously going to fail). Except possibly the Orks. There's not usually any actual malice in them, they're just having their own idea of fun, and will have it with each other as readily as anyone else most of the time.

They just hang around in different parts of the internet.

Alright, yes, when I made that joke above I know that plenty of people who play 40k think everyone is terrible and it's just an epic battleground.

[Dominian]

See alien, kill alien.

Why complicate a beautiful thing? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reality breaking into my sci-fi again. It's supposed to be the good sci-fi that makes the meaningful leap into reality, not the other way around.

[Oku]

Originally posted by Dominian:

See alien, kill alien.

Why complicate a beautiful thing? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reality breaking into my sci-fi again. It's supposed to be the good sci-fi that makes the meaningful leap into reality, not the other way around.

Because that's objectively not what XCOM is and it never has been. You are doing the exact same thing you're complaining about except the other way around, oversimplifying something with a deep and complex story and concepts it explores.

[cordomontagne]

Wasn't it established that the general populace spent those 20 years under occupation believing that the aliens were uniformly helping humanity? Then suddenly ♥♥♥♥ hits the fan for the alien occupation and the truth comes out.

Compare this to the US, where socializing healthcare gets decried as "socialist" and "too expensive" despite how it does more for less money. This is because the US has been shifting right ever since the 90s.

All that is to say, I think much of the general population on post-XCOM 2 Earth would refuse to believe the alien occupation was ever acting in humanity's disfavor.

[Robot Autism]

Anyone else just think aliens are cool and thinks it's cool that we get to use their powers outside of xcom 2 mods