This political "Diversity" discussion about literal extraterrestials is getting ridiculous.

[LGear]

I know that the modern socio-political climate sees SJW's and political correctness being mocked like hell due to their seeming ubiquity and unfortunate negative influence, and rightfully so: I am one of the people who cringe at SJW's trying to force their hypocritical "diversity" onto people without trying to understand or do something about the real issues that hamper the acceptance of minorities. SJW's for the most part just trade in one kind of racism for another, and then smugly pat themselves on the back for doing the "right" thing, all while the real problems go unaddressed.

But seriously.... are people actually crying "woke" over Chimera Squad over the inclusion of extraterrestials? You know, things that, at least in the current world, aren't actually proven to exist (even if I do believe in their existence)? In a game that's always been quite diverse? So somehow, a squad composed of soldiers hailing from France, America, The United Kingdom, Japan, Germany, Russia, China, Iraq, etc. is celebrated as being a triumph of unity, yet the moment the game adds in X-Rays it's suddenly "woke", "politically driven" and "SJW-driven"? I mean, what real-world "political agenda" are Firaxis even trying to supposedly say in this game, that we should recognize Sectoid and Viper rights in the real world? Are people treating these entities real enough such that they can feel that their inclusion as playable characters in a game constitutes as being "politically correct" and "woke"?

Let's not even get into the fact that adding aliens into the mix have been a long time desire of fans: when XCOM 2 was first announced, what was the very first thing the fanbase latched onto? Snek Tits! Sexy Vipers! And the mod scene in XCOM 2 only further reinforced that face through the inclusion of various playable alien mods. There is in fact a significant portion of the fanbase that have been asking for playable aliens, especially for those who loved to keep their Dominated pet Andromedons or Gatekeepers in a mission. And of course, this isn't the first time that X-COM as a franchise has had playable or at least allied aliens: X-COM Apocalypse from 1997 had those.

All of this talk about Chimera Squad being "woke" just because of the inclusion of playable allied aliens would be amusing if not for the fact that people really will seriously die on that hill here, and it confuses me as to why.

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

They literally wrote "Diversis" onto the insignia. If that doesn't scream SJW, I don't know what does.

[Prof_Nekko]

personally as long as the story is good I could care less about the diversity of the cast. It will only really be an "SJW" thing if they turn stupid and every time an alien gets discriminated against they feel the need to make it front and center and give a grand speech over how horrid and evil racism is or they start trying to shove current real world politics into things.

[Godzilla Rose]

Originally posted by TheRussianMeatClob:

I'd say more from the trailer and art style choice. It felt...off.

Its everything. It looks too happy and well woke lol. I have a feeling the sales are going to tank after initial sales like all SJW products. Also the fact it comes out in a few weeks with no press means people have no faith in it at fireaxis. So lets all let it die quietly so they can get back to making the remake of TFFD remake or whatever is next in the actual games.

Trying to incorporate star trek/mass effect ideals into X-Com is hilariously tone deaf. The entire series is about how evil and coniving the xenos threat is. It's been portrayerd as dark and grounded in its tones of extinction. Now lol mermes more memes and jokes and who is going to be the gay memeber of the squad and who is going to be transgender. The ridiculously cartoony generic mobile look its rocking that looks like a parody out of GTA 6 lol.

Also I can't support any company with SJW dev's or even if its just marketing. No more Warcraft 3 reforged's.

[leandrombraz]

The truth is that people don't even think once they see the word "diversity". It triggers them hard. It isn't rational in any way. They are mad because they are mad and there isn't much that can be done, aside from letting it die out.

Story wise, it's a natural step for aliens and humans to unify. The Ethereals are gone, they are all stuck on the same planet, they need to rebuild and deal with the possibility of a future threat, which we know is coming. Gameplay wise, people always wanted this, so why not?


Being triggered this hard by seeing the word "diversity" is just childish behavior. I disregard it completely, you can bet the devs do the same.

[Mitth'raw'nuruodo]

Originally posted by Prof_Nekko:

personally as long as the story is good I could care less about the diversity of the cast. It will only really be an "SJW" thing if they turn stupid and every time an alien gets discriminated against they feel the need to make it front and center and give a grand speech over how horrid and evil racism is or they start trying to shove current real world politics into things.

So saying "racism is bad" is bad? Fascinating.

[Explodium]

Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo:

Originally posted by Prof_Nekko:

personally as long as the story is good I could care less about the diversity of the cast. It will only really be an "SJW" thing if they turn stupid and every time an alien gets discriminated against they feel the need to make it front and center and give a grand speech over how horrid and evil racism is or they start trying to shove current real world politics into things.

So saying "racism is bad" is bad? Fascinating.

More like "unsubtle preaching via cheap strawmen" is bad.

[Mitth'raw'nuruodo]

Originally posted by Explodium:

Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo:

So saying "racism is bad" is bad? Fascinating.

More like "unsubtle preaching via cheap strawmen" is bad.

So you agree with "racism is bad"?

[Aenno]

Originally posted by Explodium:

Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo:

So saying "racism is bad" is bad? Fascinating.

More like "unsubtle preaching via cheap strawmen" is bad.

I tend to agree with you, usually. But tonight my thoughts about it shaken. There is so many people who are preaching for literal genocide on racial basis! One of them even declared it being the most ethical solution.
Still, I do hope that Chimera Squad scenarists would remember its 2020, not 1970, when heroes standing in heroic poses and starting preaching about racism and authoritarism weren't considered funny.

[Explodium]

Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo:

Originally posted by Explodium:

More like "unsubtle preaching via cheap strawmen" is bad.

So you agree with "racism is bad"?

Yeah, it's just ultra-cringey when presented by cheap strawmen.

[LGear]

Originally posted by Hex: Onii-Chan:

They literally wrote "Diversis" onto the insignia. If that doesn't scream SJW, I don't know what does.

Yes, because "Diversity" is a word patented, trademarked and copyrighted by SJW's, so obviously Chimera Squad is now SJW!

/s

[leandrombraz]

Originally posted by Baron Aptonoth of Kokoto:

Originally posted by leandrombraz:

The truth is that people don't even think once they see the word "diversity". It triggers them hard. It isn't rational in any way. They are mad because they are mad and there isn't much that can be done, aside from letting it die out.

Story wise, it's a natural step for aliens and humans to unify. The Ethereals are gone, they are all stuck on the same planet, they need to rebuild and deal with the possibility of a future threat, which we know is coming. Gameplay wise, people always wanted this, so why not?


Being triggered this hard by seeing the word "diversity" is just childish behavior. I disregard it completely, you can bet the devs do the same.

Inquisitor dispatched Kill Team for this major heresy. The entire series has always been aliens evil humans good. It's not star trek or mass effect and trying to turn coffee into tea is only going to piss off your customers at the coffee shop. Also since its an SJW dev'ed game like reforged there's about a 66% chance its complete crap. SJW's don't know how to program or design games anymore lol.

They are clearly getting inspiration from X-com Apocalipse, which has human-aliens hybrids and androids as minorities, and a new threat, a race of extradimensional aliens. So no, it wasn't always aliens evil, humans good, there's more to it. In the new games, it been established that the aliens are enslaved and genetically modified by the Ethereals, who are the actual enemies on both Xcoms. The aliens species are just as much victims as the humans, they aren't irreconcilably enemies. You can say that about the Ethereals and probably about whatever will be the new threat in Xcom 3, not the aliens species. An alliance is not only possible, it makes sense.

Btw, none of this means we won't fight against these species in Xcom 3, since whoever attacks earth might still enslave or recruit them. Furthermore, Xcom never was about the story, so a lot of people play only for the gameplay and won't give a single f* to how they end up playing as aliens, as long as they play as aliens.

[Godzilla Rose]

Originally posted by Aenno:

Again - if he is between killing and let them stay, he would let them stay. Of course, if exile for them don't mean death, they would be exiled (as they were); same for _any_ other human, as Shire was "hobbit-only" territory by King's decree. Hell, Frodo released Saruman. He offered Grima to stay for resting and feeding before Grima would go his way. Grima refused though.
And Grima, actually, said that disarming, suspecting and, preferably, killing some aliens is good thing. Just saying. Because yes, that's how Enemy operates.

You see, Tolkien was Catholic. There are some commandments there, like "Thou shalt not kill", "Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy." and "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you". If somebody asking for mercy, mercy should be given.
The thing is, in Christian mythology it isn't betrayal. Mercy of God is unlimited, nothing bad would happen as you follow commandments.

A war for the survival of your race and the bible beaters come out lol. Yeah not happening. Some people simply can't be reasoned with. They don't care about you or your opinions or feeligns. If anytrhing they hate you. These crazed sociopaths are out there in real life today using you and everyone around them like tools.

These are real life almost aliens on earth today. And your trying to shove the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bible and lord of the rings ♥♥♥♥ down the discussion of an advanced intergalactic species who is gos knows how far from home and desperate? They wouldn't undertand the importance of either or care. Maybge they are even incapable? Who is to say they even think or have the same emotions we do? In real life on earth the rainbow shrump can see 24 colours. The entire rainbow humans know and see is made from 3. And you think you can make peace with these strange war like aliens? Hahaha I would like to see you try so they could shove their plasma rifle up your ass and shoot it for such a bad joke.

They don't know or care what lord of the rings is. Their species has its own artwork and culture they consider superior to your own. They all have thier own faiths and creeds they consider superior to your own their own gods.

So why the ♥♥♥♥ would any of them make peace instead of leaving as soon as possible or destroying humanity to make room for the rest of them? Time and again in our own history we see this. We see the aliens like Etherals in the games and their attendant races and I fail to believe for two seconds they are peaceful hippy star trek space flower children. Not to mention many of them have cybernetic implants to make them killing machines and over ride their own opinions. Its hard to even comprehend how to integrate what is a 100% military society into a peacful one.

[Serann]

Originally posted by Baron Aptonoth of Kokoto:

A war for the survival of your race and the bible beaters come out lol. Yeah not happening. Some people simply can't be reasoned with. They don't care about you or your opinions or feeligns. If anytrhing they hate you. These crazed sociopaths are out there in real life today using you and everyone around them like tools.

These are real life almost aliens on earth today. And your trying to shove the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bible and lord of the rings ♥♥♥♥ down the discussion of an advanced intergalactic species who is gos knows how far from home and desperate? They wouldn't undertand the importance of either or care. Maybge they are even incapable? Who is to say they even think or have the same emotions we do? In real life on earth the rainbow shrump can see 24 colours. The entire rainbow humans know and see is made from 3. And you think you can make peace with these strange war like aliens? Hahaha I would like to see you try so they could shove their plasma rifle up your ass and shoot it for such a bad joke.

They don't know or care what lord of the rings is. Their species has its own artwork and culture they consider superior to your own. They all have thier own faiths and creeds they consider superior to your own their own gods.

So why the ♥♥♥♥ would any of them make peace instead of leaving as soon as possible or destroying humanity to make room for the rest of them? Time and again in our own history we see this. We see the aliens like Etherals in the games and their attendant races and I fail to believe for two seconds they are peaceful hippy star trek space flower children. Not to mention many of them have cybernetic implants to make them killing machines and over ride their own opinions. Its hard to even comprehend how to integrate what is a 100% military society into a peacful one.

Or you could just play War of the Chosen and see for yourself what the aliens are like. In that game, you do actually get to talk to their grunts and how they feel about Advent.
(And yes, they are nothing like what you are describing here)

[Aenno]

> A war for the survival of your race and the bible beaters come out lol.
...I'm sorry, didn't you kinda lost context?
It was said that Lights in LotR would be suspicious to enemy forces trying to fight Sauron, would chain them or at least would never allow them to draw weapon. That hobbits allowing Urukhai to stay are ridiculous.
Still, Frodo got this biblical teaching to heart, this guy was literally saint to the end of the book. So, he's repeating again and again and again - no killing, no killing, no killing. So, this argument is, actually, quite bad.

> So why the ♥♥♥♥ would any of them make peace instead of leaving as soon as possible or destroying humanity to make room for the rest of them?
Oh, you would know if you actually played XCOM. They can't leave, because, SURPRISE, they don't have crafts of their own, it was Etherials who brought them. They have no place to leave, because ANOTHER SURPRISE, their planets were supposedly destroyed, and they were breeded in space and labs. So, THIRD SURPRISE! - they supposedly had no culture of their own. So they have a choice. To fight humans to the worst end, which would (as they had no normal way of procreation, and need full-scale infrastructure for that) ended quite badly for them even if they win, or to strike deal "we would live here and continue to support your infrastructure, and you will allow us to live here".

[LGear]

Originally posted by Baron Aptonoth of Kokoto:

Inquisitor dispatched Kill Team for this major heresy. The entire series has always been aliens evil humans good. It's not star trek or mass effect and trying to turn coffee into tea is only going to piss off your customers at the coffee shop. Also since its an SJW dev'ed game like reforged there's about a 66% chance its complete crap. SJW's don't know how to program or design games anymore lol.

^ This is exactly the kind of poster I'm talking about when I made this topic. It's okay if people don't like the inclusion of aliens in the playable roster, that's a stylistic choice and one they're entitled to have. It's okay for people to state their reasons as to why XCOM and aliens can't coexist, as there's a potentially civil discussion to be had in such, and I've seen such discussions in other places.

It's quite another thing though to suddenly equate Chimera Squad having playable aliens as being the product of SJW's. Like how does that even make sense? How does a game developer that decides that the fictional alien race -they created- becoming allies in their game make them Social Justice Warriors? What kind of social justice are they campaigning for exactly, and what sort of real-world political agenda are they supposed to be pushing?

It baffles me to no end how people can achieve such logic.