Untouchable not working?

[Tether Me Daddy]

Title.
Twice i killed 2 enemies, and both times godmother got shot/punched by enemies.
Is there some sort of hidden mechanics i am missing?

[Fluxistence]

The same thing happened to me, multiple times.
I suspect the culprit here is the Tranq Rounds I had her equip.
I'm really not certain though, because I *have* seen it work and I *think* I've always gave her Tranq Rounds, but I'm really not certain.
Seeing other people mention this happening and Tranq Rounds makes me think that's it, and either it only sometimes prevents it from working or I forgot to equip them on her when it did work.
Or maybe I killed someone with a grenade or something, I don't know.
Either way, this really needs to be fixed, or if it's intentional it *needs* to be put in the description.

[Ixalmaris]

I had it working, so no idea.

[Fluxistence]

It has happened happened multiple times to me.
Godmother shot someone unconscious, and the very next turn she was hit by either a ranged or melee attack.
I have a save file right before it happens. It's reproducible.
Like I said, I did have Untouchable trigger multiple times and I think I did have Tranq Rounds at when it did, so it's quite possible that this doesn't happen in every situation.

[Sovereigndrake]

It doesn't trigger for abilities if you used scattershot or whatever.

[Black Sheep Wall]

It works exactly the way it says it does.
I suggest you read it, sometimes the devil is in the details.

My guess is you're thinking it stacks or has charges or something.

If you kill 5 enemies, then you have 5 triggers that all proc on the next source of damage, and all get used up negating that same source of damage. So the second hit will always do damage.

You also have to actually down the target with Godmother, not some follow on effect like poison.

It also won't trigger (at least it shouldn't) if it's not Godmothers turn when she gets the kill, such as from overwatch.

It also goes away at the start of Godmothers turn.

[Fluxistence]

I think you misread or misunderstood my comment.
"Godmother shot someone unconscious, and the very next turn she was hit by either a ranged or melee attack."
That save file I have, which I made about an hour ago, is after Godmother's first move on her turn, i.e. one action point left, yellow border and all that.
At that point, I clicked on the first action on the action bar at the bottom of the screen in order to activate the regular weapon attack.
Shot an enemy that had 1 HP left.
Enemy went down, became unconscious rather than dying because she had Tranq Rounds equipped.
Immediately after that came the turn of a Brute, who promptly came up to Godmother and smashed her quite successfully.
Since you seem unable to take me at my word (or just don't understand what I'm saying), you're welcome to see for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPMvNso2bLg

If you're going to say that it only applies to ranged attacks and not melee - I've seen her avoid melee damage with Untouchable before (just a few minutes ago, actually), so that's not the case.
I hope I don't need to make another video as evidence for that and you can just take me at my word this time. <_<

[valky]

The old description was more obvious: "If you score a kill during your turn....."

Have you even tried to do that without tranq ammo? Because the game has to intercept both states for a variety of skills and such and I guess 'unconscious" is not like kill/death/down/destroy/nullify/delete/erase.

Else it applies to both... (or should)

[Black Sheep Wall]

It's a clever misrepresentation, I'm not sure how heavily edited, I'm pretty sure there's at least one fake cut.

I'm pretty sure what you've done here is used either Terminals Inspire or a Motile Inducer to create an extra action on Godmother during a turn other than her own.

Your timeline doesn't match the footage though, Godmother is in slot 1 but the in game marker shows her at 5, and she's not the only mismatch.

What do you have to gain by trying to create a fake bug controversy when there are so many legit bugs?

[valky]

Originally posted by Blksheepwall:

It's a clever misrepresentation, I'm not sure how heavily edited, I'm pretty sure there's at least one fake cut.

I'm pretty sure what you've done here is used either Terminals Inspire or a Motile Inducer to create an extra action on Godmother during a turn other than her own.

Your timeline doesn't match the footage though, Godmother is in slot 1 but the in game marker shows her at 5, and she's not the only mismatch.

What do you have to gain by trying to create a fake bug controversy when there are so many legit bugs?

the 5th position is legit o_O check the turn-over and count Godmothers initiative ^^
What I do see:
- Axiom
- random guy
- Torque
- random guy
- Godmother

If my math ain't wrong..that is clearly position 5

[Fluxistence]

...
Are you kidding me? -_-
This is real. I have nothing to gain by making a fake video, and there are also reports by other people of it happening.
The fact that the turns on the side bar differ from the real ones is a problem I've had since starting the game. I think it happens every time I load a savegame.
I did not use Terminal's Inspire. Like I said, this was the second action point on Godmother's turn, so it couldn't have been Terminal's ability as it only gives you one action point.
And I have no idea what Motile Inducer is, so no, I didn't use that either.
Yes, I have tried not using Tranq Rounds; it seems to work fine then.
Either the game intentionally does not trigger Untouchable when Godmother renders enemies unconscious or it's a bug.
I don't get why you're so adamant that it can't be true.
Games have bugs all the time.
The fact that it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it can't happen.
I still can't believe you refuse to accept video evidence. O_o
Or are you just trolling now?
Do you want the save file?
I'll gladly send it to you, though I can't guarantee it will happen to you since you obviously haven't seen it happen yourself and bugs are often system-dependent.
Hell, I'm willing to stream the thing live on Twitch right now.
Wake up and get a dose of reality man, this is real.

[Fluxistence]

Originally posted by valky:

Originally posted by Blksheepwall:

It's a clever misrepresentation, I'm not sure how heavily edited, I'm pretty sure there's at least one fake cut.

I'm pretty sure what you've done here is used either Terminals Inspire or a Motile Inducer to create an extra action on Godmother during a turn other than her own.

Your timeline doesn't match the footage though, Godmother is in slot 1 but the in game marker shows her at 5, and she's not the only mismatch.

What do you have to gain by trying to create a fake bug controversy when there are so many legit bugs?

the 5th position is legit o_O check the turn-over and count Godmothers initiative ^^
What I do see:
- Axiom
- random guy
- Torque
- random guy
- Godmother

If my math ain't wrong..that is clearly position 5

He's talking about the turn numbers that appear next to the units' HP on the field.
They really don't match the actual turn order, and like I said, that happens all the time.
Also it's Godmother's turn, so she's supposed to be #1, like it shows on the timeline to the right.

[Black Sheep Wall]

No, you do know why it's not represented correctly.
Because if it was represented correctly, then what you've done would be obvious.

I'm not 100% how you did the timeline cut, but I am sure that Axiom had a Motile Inducer and you used it on Godmother, then you used up his turn, and did the quick cut footage we see in the clip.

It looks like it's actually her turn.
It isn't.

Motile Inducer doesn't give you a turn, it gives you two actions on someone elses turn.
Untouchable doesn't proc if it's not Godmothers turn.

I told you to read the ability.

[valky]

Originally posted by Fluxistence:

He's talking about the turn numbers that appear next to the units' HP on the field.
They really don't match the actual turn order, and like I said, that happens all the time.
Also it's Godmother's turn, so she's supposed to be #1, like it shows on the timeline to the right.

aye, I know - and it is working exactly as intended. On the right side is your typical Pen & Paper initiative ladder..always counted upwards from 1, while the on-unit-info shows their real order/sequence.
Looks exactly the same in my game....

Why would a turn-order helper-info start at 5 or 6 or 7 ?

[Sovereigndrake]

Dunno how this turned into an inquisition lol, but it looks like it doesn't trigger with tranq rounds because they aren't "Kills".

They pulled the skills straight out of XCOM 2 where unconscious isn't really a thing so it'd make sense for the code not to allow for there to be a distinction between kill and knock out. I can't speak to motile inducers or terminal's co-operation allowing it to trigger, but if they say it doesn't that might be it too

[Tether Me Daddy]

Originally posted by Blksheepwall:

It works exactly the way it says it does.
I suggest you read it, sometimes the devil is in the details.

My guess is you're thinking it stacks or has charges or something.

If you kill 5 enemies, then you have 5 triggers that all proc on the next source of damage, and all get used up negating that same source of damage. So the second hit will always do damage.

You also have to actually down the target with Godmother, not some follow on effect like poison.

It also won't trigger (at least it shouldn't) if it's not Godmothers turn when she gets the kill, such as from overwatch.

It also goes away at the start of Godmothers turn.

Gee thanks man, u would think someone who has 1200+ hours in xcom2 and LW2 would know how untouchable works, but what do i know?