Lights Going Out/World Reborn

[Kalle]

Is there any info on when these are coming, or any info about what they will be about?

Teasing them in the menu and providing no information at all about them just leave me baffled.

[CosmicOdeum]

Lights going out will almost certainly be about the great darkness.

World reborn will almost certainly relate to the dawn age, though we don't know if it will start or end with the dawn age beginning.

[Motorola]

Just different eras, Lights Going Out is during the dark age, when all (good) Gods banded togheter (Orlanth Elmal Humakt et al) to wipe out the chaos/forces of darkness , i think it will probably be the hardest setting, considered how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up that era was, if you played King of Dragon Pass, you can have a glimpse of what happened by reading /doing THE MAKING OF THE STORM TRIBE.

[CosmicOdeum]

Chaos and Darkness are actually different things. The forces of darkness come to the surface in the greatd arkness because Yelm's light makes the underworld too bright for them, not because theyw ant to conquer.

Chaos is just evil.

[Motorola]

Originally posted by Odeum:

Lights going out will almost certainly be about the great darkness.

World reborn will almost certainly relate to the dawn age, though we don't know if it will start or end with the dawn age beginning.

I think World Reborn may refer or might end when the Good King founded the first metropolis, or might end just before the Dragon Empire? i hope so tho, i love those settings.

[Motorola]

Originally posted by Odeum:

Chaos and Darkness are actually different things. The forces of darkness come to the surface in the greatd arkness because Yelm's light makes the underworld too bright for them, not because theyw ant to conquer.

Chaos is just evil.

Yes i know, but im pretty much sure whenever there is a lot of wars and strife between civilizations, Chaos always have a field day, so Chaos also will be abundant, the more troubled the world is, the more Chaos spread, also i dont think Chaos is necessarily evil, i think Darkness is .

[lyreofsheliak]

In Glorantha, that really isn't the case. Chaos is inimical to the rest of existence. Darkness is part of the world, and Darkness people and gods are just as dedicated to fighting off Chaos as everyone else (even though they're really bitter about Yelm's death forcing them out of their underworld home).

In this game, Darkness = trolls and troll gods (who the Riders aren't friendly with by any means, but peaceful contact is possible and the gods aren't going to through a fit at you if you decide to heal some trolls rather than killing them. Chaos = random tentacle monsters erupting in your lands, scorpion people, Uldak, who your gods will retaliate at you for dealing with.

Darkness is weird and scary. Chaos is full of eldritch abominations.

(In Glorantha, there's also a distinction between Disorder (Raven and other tricksters) and Chaos (actively corrosive to reality).)

[CosmicOdeum]

Yeah, it's extremely naive to think chaos isn't evil.
Urox would kill you on the spot for even suggesting it, and nobody would blame him.

[Motorola]

I always do the equation Light(bright Yelm, the God King, the Sun that feed and ripe the world, the existence) and Darkness wich represent totally the opposite, although the dark haired melancholic chick representing darkness is reasonable in the sense that you can parley with her.
But in my book Light /DArkness Good/Evil fit the equation.

Chaos is just the totally opposite of rational creation, it is just transformation and destruction, doesnt mean necessary Evil as WE(according to our world standards) intend it, probably a dude with a chemistry degree at the Proust University would say that Chaos is perfectly fine and not evil, lol, what i mean is that Chaos cant make a difference between Evil and Good, and thus cant be neither of those.

[CosmicOdeum]

Light isn't an element, though. Fire is. And fire's opposite is water.

[Motorola]

Originally posted by Odeum:

Light isn't an element, though. Fire is. And fire's opposite is water.

Chaos is all of those put togheter :P
Too irrational to be either good or evil.

[CosmicOdeum]

No, chaos is not all the elements put together. Chaos, in glorantha, is a corrosive force that dissolves reality.

[Motorola]

You dont understand my deep philosphy , may Lankhor Mhy curse you!

Also thats not true, Chaos is indeed a destroyng irrational force, but it is part of reality, it only corrode the things you like the most, and you took them for reality, your own reality!
Chaos is just irrational, doenst make any sense, dont distinguish from anything, it is just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of everything that exist put togheter without a purpose, i truly believe it is not evil, darkness is.

[CosmicOdeum]

Lankhor Mhy is no friend to chaos.

[Motorola]

Originally posted by Odeum:

Lankhor Mhy is no friend to chaos.

He dont like darkness either, with darkness ppl would not be able to read. =)

Also you are more stubborn than rock folks!

[lyreofsheliak]

Well, we're right.

Some Orlanthi clans actually worship Argan Argar, the troll trade god, and center him instead of Orlanth or Elmal or Heler. (Ernalda, who prefers to make her husbands into kings rather than rule in her own right, is more or less universal.) Their neighbors think the Dark Orlanthi are weird, but basically accept them. (There's a clan like that in King of Dragon Pass, even! They're no worse as people than any of your other neighbors.) No one would ever be silly enough to accept a Chaos-focused clan as a neighbor!

I can't think of anyone in Glorantha who would accept Chaos but not Darkness, actually. (The Lunar Way takes both. The Lunar Way takes everyone; when they say We Are All Us, they really mean all.)

I expect Chaos to continue being a totally antagonistic force in the next game. And I wouldn't be surprised if an alliance with Darkness was possible, even required...

After all, the armies Heort and the Only Old One both fought to preserve the world in the I Fought We Won, and afterwards they became allies.

(Then again, look at my icon--I've always had a soft spot for Glorantha's trolls. Especially Argan Argar, Xiola Umbar the healer, and their followers.)

But really, I don't think any of the main elements--Fire, Storm, Earth, Water, Darkness--is good or evil. Yelm is a force for order; that doesn't make him good or bad. Orlanth is a force for change; ditto. Water seeks to drown the earth, but ultimately it's part of the world.