Vaseraga...

[C h e v a l l i e r]

rework on vaseraga?? I think it's fun to charge the attack to hit but it's frustrating that only the immortal skill is good and the rest is useless so much so that my composition with him is just 1 skill and the rest blank.
It would be cool to have some ability that he could trap or any other that would be different from the other 7... since his attack is very slow!!

[ele]

His stun skill is amazing and you need a gap-closer in most content. Immortal is probably the least useful.

[C h e v a l l i e r]

In fact, I've already finished all the difficulties and I'm done with it... in fact, immortal is the only one that's good because of the various benefits. My best is Sieg but I like to keep dealing high damage with a vase even though he's slow...

I'm already fully built on my main...V+ 15 and so on,... but his skills are very weak so much so that what most have on the internet are builds with just one skill because of the amount of buff sigils skill... because it's not worth running out of skill buff sigils with Vase's skills so limited

[ephang]

Vase skill is good enough for me.

Slow : apply slow that is always good.

Tackle : fast and huge travel distant+ short cd + fast ougi bar gain + cd cut

Spin : high stun + short cd + fast ougi bar gain + cd cut

Immortal : good as atk buff + force dmg, especially when enemy have para/freeze/slow or other + ougi gain/cd cut/extra dmg when bloodthirsty

Cover : Not really good, but still can use, or use like a parry skill for team for fast dmg burst

Other 3 remaining skill not really useful though.

[ZexxCrine]

vasaraga is incredibly good I have no idea how anyone can reach the conclusion that he isn't. genuinly. I don't understand.

[Little_Five]

u already have one immortal skill, one stun of area skill, one charge skill, one high dmg skill, and with normal attack which does 1.6m dmg per hit…… still need buff yeah?

[Schnarchnase]

Originally posted by C h e v a l l i e r:

...so much so that my composition with him is just 1 skill and the rest blank.

There is a sigil from Curios to boost Attack Power by 15% per empty skill slot. Level 15 cap, it's only one slot aswell.

[C h e v a l l i e r]

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

vasaraga is incredibly good I have no idea how anyone can reach the conclusion that he isn't. genuinly. I don't understand.

At the end of the game you will see that his abilities are limited, which is why 95% of the builds built are with just one ability to take advantage of what he has to offer, which is his damage...

[C h e v a l l i e r]

Originally posted by ephang:

Vase skill is good enough for me.

Slow : apply slow that is always good.

Tackle : fast and huge travel distant+ short cd + fast ougi bar gain + cd cut

Spin : high stun + short cd + fast ougi bar gain + cd cut

Immortal : good as atk buff + force dmg, especially when enemy have para/freeze/slow or other + ougi gain/cd cut/extra dmg when bloodthirsty

Cover : Not really good, but still can use, or use like a parry skill for team for fast dmg burst

Other 3 remaining skill not really useful though.

His first movement skill is useless as he has a better basic attack and charge.
The 2nd lifesteal and taunt are also kind of useless at the end of the game when you almost get hitkill... which is 2 to 3 thousand when you lose 40 thousand.
3rd one that redirects all the damage to the enemy is interesting but you have to be glued to the enemy... there's no point carrying it to take all the damage when the enemy jumps all the time... apart from the fact that it redirects the damage It's not high...it's easier to hit with the basic attack!!

NOTE: these are just a few that I mentioned... because what I saw was at the end of the game, facing the strongest enemies on the highest difficulty...

[C h e v a l l i e r]

Originally posted by Little_Five:

u already have one immortal skill, one stun of area skill, one charge skill, one high dmg skill, and with normal attack which does 160k dmg per hit…… still need buff yeah?

so 160k damage?? Aren't you half game? I can do this with almost all characters... the weakest in my group gets 250k...

NOTE: what I saw was compared with other characters and with my vast experience with games of this style, but everyone has their own opinion, especially because Vaseraga is not even my main character, there are others who are much more useful and stronger, as I mentioned, so I think it's fun to charge up his attack and just...

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The instant gap closer skill, Battalions of Fear, is great. Don't have to waste time doing a light swing and then doing two heavy attacks to close distance.

I find his immortal skill along with Netherwrath great at keeping my team alive when lots of AoEs are coming out, like during the intermission phase of Bahamut Versa or during the icy howl of Managarmr, or when people are dropping the AoEs during Bahamut's Rage. People seem to get clipped by AoEs a lot by that one but that's no problem when I am substituting for them.

The hostility skill is good for keeping bosses from running all over the place.

The only actually useless Vaseraga skills are Great Scythe Grynoth (because you deal more damage by doing his #2 combo which hits 4 times and also has a wide angle attack), and enmity skill since you don't need to do something risky like lowering your HP to cap your damage anyway.

[C h e v a l l i e r]

Originally posted by Schnarchnase:

Originally posted by C h e v a l l i e r:

...so much so that my composition with him is just 1 skill and the rest blank.

There is a sigil from Curios to boost Attack Power by 15% per empty skill slot. Level 15 cap, it's only one slot aswell.

Yes, that's what I use, because his other skills aren't so useful to the point of losing this sigil

[C h e v a l l i e r]

Originally posted by Val the Moofia Boss:

The instant gap closer skill, Battalions of Fear, is great. Don't have to waste time doing a light swing and then doing two heavy attacks to close distance.

I find his immortal skill along with Netherwrath great at keeping my team alive when lots of AoEs are coming out, like during the intermission phase of Bahamut Versa or during the icy howl of Managarmr, or when people are dropping the AoEs during Bahamut's Rage. People seem to get clipped by AoEs a lot by that one but that's no problem when I am substituting for them.

The hostility skill is good for keeping bosses from running all over the place.

The only actually useless Vaseraga skills are Great Scythe Grynoth (because you deal more damage by doing his #2 combo which hits 4 times and also has a wide angle attack), and enmity skill since you don't need to do something risky like lowering your HP to cap your damage anyway.

but it's very quick to use run with attack and charge, if you roll it's instantaneous and there are two charges... but redirecting the damage is a good idea, it would be good if you could increase the area or be able to cast the damage on a boss, in addition its damage is low even on very high difficulty!!

NOTE: As I said, this is my opinion, I'm not here to criticize anyone or anything like that, I think it's worth ideas to improve the game in general because this game is a lot of fun!!

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by C h e v a l l i e r:

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

vasaraga is incredibly good I have no idea how anyone can reach the conclusion that he isn't. genuinly. I don't understand.

At the end of the game you will see that his abilities are limited, which is why 95% of the builds built are with just one ability to take advantage of what he has to offer, which is his damage...

i am at the end of the game. battalions of fear is an incredible gap closer. great scythe greynoth does immense stun and completely bypasses shields like maglielle for instance. even in the worse case scenario you can immediately dodge cancel them and go straight into charged attack in small openings. most of your gameplay will revolve around dodge canceling into his 4 hit charge attack sequence but you dont even need less is more to reach the damage cap for it. in-fact less is more is generally a bad sigil just because less is more V+ sigils either don't exist or are super rare.

[Black Hammer]

Is Vaseraga fun overall? I usually like the "big guy" type characters and there are really only two options here.

[brunolm]

Why do you have skills on Vaseraga? You're losing tons of %ATK. Equip Less is More and remove all skills