PROTO BAHAMUT ---> Loot Change Suggestion

[Label07]

Anyone at "endgame" has done or is doing Proto Bahamut in search of their Terminus weapons.

The problem is two-fold here.

1) a Terminus weapon may or may NOT drop upon defeating Proto Bahamut
2) if a Terminus weapon does drop it's RNG which character receives it

I'm suggesting the devs remove both of these hurdles. Each defeat of Bahamut drops not a Terminus weapon but a reagent that is trade-able to Seikro (or whatever his name is) for whichever Terminus weapon the player desires.

In total it would still take 25 successful runs to obtain all the Terminus weapons.
We have a ton more to do in this game, I for one would rather not spend all day, every day on the same boss.

Update = after discourse:
1) Matchmaking is needed for PROUD difficulty
2) ALL Quests in PROUD have to have a chance to drop a Terminus OR (see next)
3) Preferably instead of x RNG Terminus dropping, instead a reagent we can trade to SeiroKarte for any desired Terminus is ideal or a token where x tokens = 1 Terminus (1x Token is obtained per each successful Proud quest)
4) Pity Luck is a must, surprised most devs have not figured this out yet
5) One suggestion was the ability the craft Terminus weapons after defeating Bahamut, I think this is the winner. That means we have to still chase x materials from other bosses to uncap it but it beats doing the same boss over.
6) At the minimum, per PROUD quest completed: 5x Fortiude Crystal (L), 1x Silver Centrum, 1x Curio, 1x Mirage Munition, 1x Exceptional Refinium, 1x Legendary Merit. All the necessary ingredients for weapon uncapping or upgrading.

[Label07]

Originally posted by Angious_:

tiktok generation wants everything instantly nowadays, just be patient and enjoy

Who are you talking to...?
Time is valuable. If you don't care for yours I'll take it.

[Vexillarius]

+1 this game feels way to much like a pay 2 win game with no option to pay. I just used trainer to do my terminus weapon grind for me.

[crimsonspartan1]

I don't mind spending a lot of time farming for the terminus weapons, I just wish we could get them from more than one mission so I don't have to do repeat the exact same mission constantly.

Perhaps if we are lucky we can get a terminus weapon from the upcoming Lucilius raid or from any new missions that might get possibly be added in the future. I just hope they don't do the extremely stupid thing and introduce new weapons that are even stronger than terminus weapons as random drops in that Lucilius raid.

[Label07]

Originally posted by crimsonspartan1:

I don't mind spending a lot of time farming for the terminus weapons, I just wish we could get them from more than one mission so I don't have to do repeat the exact same mission constantly.

Perhaps if we are lucky we can get a terminus weapon from the upcoming Lucilius raid or from any new missions that might get possibly be added in the future. I just hope they don't do the extremely stupid thing and introduce new weapons that are even stronger than terminus weapons as random drops in that Lucilius raid.

Power creep is annoying.

We already have it with Terminus.

I would like each weapon to be just as powerful as the next (or close) as each has a specialization (e.g. stun + x, hp + x, crit rate + x, etc) that I'd imagine they expected players to utilize in a defined build.

What to do when each boss gets more and more difficult or their levels progressively get higher. Rewards must equate to difficulty + time spent, else players will not bother. We'll see I guess, with baited breath.

[crimsonspartan1]

Originally posted by Label07:

Originally posted by crimsonspartan1:

I don't mind spending a lot of time farming for the terminus weapons, I just wish we could get them from more than one mission so I don't have to do repeat the exact same mission constantly.

Perhaps if we are lucky we can get a terminus weapon from the upcoming Lucilius raid or from any new missions that might get possibly be added in the future. I just hope they don't do the extremely stupid thing and introduce new weapons that are even stronger than terminus weapons as random drops in that Lucilius raid.

Power creep is annoying.

We already have it with Terminus.

I would like each weapon to be just as powerful as the next (or close) as each has a specialization (e.g. stun + x, hp + x, crit rate + x, etc) that I'd imagine they expected players to utilize in a defined build.

What to do when each boss gets more and more difficult or their levels progressively get higher. Rewards must equate to difficulty + time spent, else players will not bother. We'll see I guess, with baited breath.

Yep, that's my concern. The Lucilius raid is supposed to be super hard according to the devs so rewards must be worth it for the difficulty and for people to farm it.

I get the bad feeling that power creep is going to be inevitable. If Cygames decide to bring weapons much stronger than the Terminus weapons, then that's going to be really dumb, but I hope at least if that's the case the terminus weapons become easier to obtain. Only other thing I could think of is maybe being able to farm curio exclusive sigils like War Elemental and Supplementary damage from the fight?

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

Originally posted by Angious_:

tiktok generation wants everything instantly nowadays, just be patient and enjoy

nah it's called having a life and not wanting to waste the precious little time we have for games on a single brain-dead scripted boss repeated ad nauseam. They could keep the same low drop rate but spread the weapons onto a new difficulty where all the bosses scale to. Absolutely nobody here said we should get all the weapons instantly. Maybe you're just projecting.

[Xaelon]

I think the grind for Terminus weapons is fine but some badluck protection in the form of a "token" would be welcome. You would get a range of 1 to 5 of these per clear guaranteed, then once you've got 25 of them you could go to the Knicknack Shack and buy a weapon of your choice. This way you would eventually be able to buy every weapon without just removing the RNG entirely.

The other option would be to make Terminus drops into a universal token of sorts that can be used to unlock a weapon of your choice. That way you at least get to pick what character gets the weapon.

Honestly compared to the curio grind to get supp damage and war elemental unlocking Terminus weapons isn't that bad. What REALLY needs to happen is Proud bosses should be dropping like 5-10 boxes per clear. The fact that the best way to get them is to AFK some mission on EX is really dumb. That's something I REALLY hope they change once the Lucifer patch drops.

[Nepnep]

Originally posted by TyresTyco:

No. The issue isn't the rng. The issue is the fight itself. It's the most boring, scripted, garbage fight in the game. Not falling asleep is the hardest thing there. It should be powerlvl:Do not fall asleep.. instead of the highest number we have currently.

It's fun for 1-5 times. Not so much if you have to do 25+ hunts.

Best solution. Give the weapon drops to pyet, the white and black dragon.. or even a harder version of versa. Everything is better than doing proto more than twice.

In hunting games like this. Imho it's very bad design focusing one heavy grind or BiS thing to only one single hunt. Even worse if the hunt is scripted garbage.

This. Whose dumb idea was it to put the tutorial boss as the final boss? At least Lucillus would be fun.

[Angious_]

Every minutes you 're playing a game should be blessed, but nowadays you guys are playing videogames without being happy , so stop playing for real.

[Label07]

A mod ban @Angious already. Not contributing at all, just pointing fingers and lecturing. Discussion is supposed to be about Proto and "rewards".

This thread wouldn't exist and there would be no replies if there was not a concern.

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

Originally posted by Label07:

A mod ban @Angious already. Not contributing at all, just pointing fingers and lecturing. Discussion is supposed to be about Proto and "rewards".

This thread wouldn't exist and there would be no replies if there was not a concern.

him and Latex are probably just trolls because I cannot imagine people being this dumb and repeatedly go back to the same strawman argument that has nothing to do with what people are complaining about.

[Angious_]

Originally posted by Label07:

A mod ban @Angious already. Not contributing at all, just pointing fingers and lecturing. Discussion is supposed to be about Proto and "rewards".

This thread wouldn't exist and there would be no replies if there was not a concern.

No offense but you're acting like a child being selfish and egocentric, just close this thread. Take my award and sayonara. <3

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

Originally posted by Angious_:

Originally posted by Label07:

A mod ban @Angious already. Not contributing at all, just pointing fingers and lecturing. Discussion is supposed to be about Proto and "rewards".

This thread wouldn't exist and there would be no replies if there was not a concern.

No offense but you're acting like a child being selfish and egocentric, just close this thread.

LMAO, this guy insulting others and telling people to close their thread for having a different opinion is calling others "acting like child" and "egocentric".

You can't make this **** up. This guy should be the living embodiment of projection.

[Angious_]

Originally posted by UnhappyLawbro:

Originally posted by Angious_:

No offense but you're acting like a child being selfish and egocentric, just close this thread.

LMAO, this guy insulting others and telling people to close their thread for having a different opinion is calling others "acting like child" and "egocentric".

You can't make this **** up. This guy should be the living embodiment of projection.

Well sorry but it's not constructive and interesting enough , i've got the right to explain my point of view, you know the " freedom " word

[Label07]

Don't feed the troll. I'm just going to ignore him like the rest of society.

OT: I'll update the main post with best ideas, so far it's a matchmaking for Proud and Each boss can drop a Terminus, preferably a trade-able material to little elf guy. Possibly a power rating jump for the 10ks to 17k, scaling to make it fair.