Devs: Important change to make with Assist Mode before release

[xixonix]

Many people are posting videos of S++ runs and No Damage runs and acting like they accomplished something when they are using Assist Mode or Full Assist Mode. What is even worse, people are inflating the End Mission Score and becoming the MVP team player through using them. Players in the demo are scoring 50K -100K scores using assist in multiplayer secretly! How is this fair to people not using assist mode? How is this not cheating in multiplayer?

PLEASE do what Final Fantasy 16 did when the devs realized streamers were saying the game was too easy or misleading viewers into thinking they were really good when they were actually using assist modes and PUT AN ICON ON SCREEN DISPLAYING ASSIST MODE OR FULL ASSIST MODE IS TURNED ON. I think this is fair so viewers know the person is not playing normally and so streamers dont make false videos showing skill levels they are using AI to achieve. This should not be hard to do.

Also, PLEASE do not let anyone who is using an assist mode PLAY ONLINE MULTIPLAYER! And if you do don't let their score contribute to the mission rank!!! That is so sneaky to have 1-2 people out of a 4-person party getting top performance scores and gaining MVP for doing nothing while real players are grinding, working hard to learn mechanics/bosses/character playstyles and being out-scored by "cheaters". If this does not change at launch no one will take your leaderboard/scoring seriously and there is no point in even bothering to play well in coop because you dont know if your teammates are using assist modes to blast through the missions. They take little to no damage, do all combos, blocks and parries perfectly, and only have to move in the direction of an enemy or push one button to have the AI take over and play for them!

This seriously de-motivates me to try my best when im scoring 20K using a character for the first time in practice and someone else scores 77K using assist mode. You'll never know they are doing it when playing with you and you'll never know they did it when you watch flawless S++ runs on YouTube. How does achieving S+ at the end of a mission feel earned when a couple people on your team didn't even have to play to contribute to the score?

Let this be something you only use single-player and display icons on screen when they are active so streamers stay honest.

[Rain]

Choose your difficulty and stick with it for the main campaign...cause if you try to go back and do chapter 1 on hard when you did it on Action at level 50 you will one-shot everything.

[Aphelium]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Chocos Ramabotti:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Madao:

Yeah action is just normal mode, hard is harder, probably you will get more rewards from story stuff and the things gonna have more HP. I wasn't interested to grind from that point, so i went to Action

That's reassuring to hear I might look into the game again in a sale or somewhat.

You've been told the same thing for days because the devs told everyone on streams.
You are not real...

[Chocos Ramabotti]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Aphelium:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Chocos Ramabotti:

That's reassuring to hear I might look into the game again in a sale or somewhat.

You've been told the same thing for days because the devs told everyone on streams.
You are not real...

No, as far as you concerned to answer here, you only said full assist mode won't be available for endgame content and higher difficulties.
But no one said so far if higher difficulties will be available from the start. As such my biggest gripe was that the game will force me to bore myself out for the first 20 hours, where the game has most meat content and story-wise.

[xixonix]

Okay. I want to chime in on new information I have amassed from the actual game now that it is out on PlayStation. I'm surprised there's 94 comments here at time of writing,lol. Shame most of them are derogatory responses from shameful individuals who embarrass themselves repeatedly trying to sound smart using insults, misinformation, and personal attacks (you know who you are)...but i digress.

There's a lot of comments people are making saying the devs only intended Assist Mode to be used on "story content" (whatever that means) and "easy quests" (whatever that means). The truth is you can use Assist Modes anytime during the single-player campaign. Which is probably what those individuals meant by "story content". -AND- during ANY quest ranked Easy, Normal, Hard, Very Hard, and Extreme NO MATTER WHEN IT IS UNLOCKED (during the campaign or after completing it). The ONLY quest difficulties Assist Mode cannot be used in are quests of the Maniac and Proud difficulty.

So what does this mean? Well the vast majority of content in this game can be played with Assist Mode, including the harder quest difficulty choices AND not necessarily only endgame content. Since some difficulties are unlocked before beating the campaign, anyone henceforth saying it's only for "endgame" content are liars that should play the game for themselves, as I have begun on PlayStation and will continue on PC when available.

Now going back to my original post on devs adding an icon to the Battle Results screen. I continue to believe this should be the case as this single-player game includes competitive, online elements, including: online profile, ranking status, and end-mission character performance comparisons. It's the end-mission character performance comparisons that does it for me. Since the developers see fit to compare me to my comrades and even highlight which of us is the top performing player- i feel anyone using assist mode to "cheat" and gain an unfair advantage in this performance ranking should have an icon highlighting they used Assist Mode to come out on top. It's only fair right?

I don't think there is anything to argue about here. Use Assist Mode if you like. Beat the game with it, if you like. Pay $60+ bucks to watch a 20 hour movie of the game playing itself if you like. I don't care. But when you're playing online with other people, where your use of assist mode can heavily reflect game performance you can not actually achieve for yourself, then show an icon so an actual gamer who bought the game to PLAY it can feel better about THEMSELVES that their grind, mastery of all game systems, and character progression wasn't for nothing. You didn't lose because you suck, you lost to someone using AI to play. Everyone's feelings should matter right? Not just the person using assist mode :)

Thank you all and hope this was informative. I will be unsubscribing to this discussion now that I've relayed my wishes to the developers and answered any misconceptions, so please, do not bother to reply with any toxic comments or biased opinions. I have left to continue living my life, and to those individuals that can't help themselves, I suggest you do the same.

[Vb]

I'm surprised this discussion went this long and that some people kept resorting to personal attacks rather than just stating their opinions on the matter. Whether the devs are going to implement this or not doesn't depend on how much people flame each other in this forum.

Kudos for OP to giving an update with actual game information on how the system works and stating once more his point.

[Chocos Ramabotti]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Joshua Rosfield:

Which is probably what those individuals meant by "story content". -AND- during ANY quest ranked Easy, Normal, Hard, Very Hard, and Extreme NO MATTER WHEN IT IS UNLOCKED (during the campaign or after completing it). The ONLY quest difficulty Assist Mode cannot be used in are quests of the Maniac difficulty- the highest QUEST difficulty of the game.

So what does this mean? Well the vast majority of content in this game can be played with Assist Mode, including the harder quest difficulty choices AND not necessarily only endgame content as only Maniac quests are unlocked after completing the story. Hard, Very Hard, and Extreme content will all be unlocked before beating the campaign and after so anyone henceforth saying it's only for "endgame" content are liars that should play the game for themselves, as I have begun on PlayStation and will continue on PC when available.

Thats weird

According to this screenshot
https://i.ibb.co/DtgBKPv/Relink-Diff.png

Assist mode only "activates" when you play on what is described here. Perhaps you can turn on the function but I expect it will do nothing unless one of the listed conditions apply.

Now i'm even more confused.
Of course, if it's just like you describe, you basically confirm what I've expected for the worst case scenario.

[ZexxCrine]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Chocos Ramabotti:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Joshua Rosfield:

Which is probably what those individuals meant by "story content". -AND- during ANY quest ranked Easy, Normal, Hard, Very Hard, and Extreme NO MATTER WHEN IT IS UNLOCKED (during the campaign or after completing it). The ONLY quest difficulty Assist Mode cannot be used in are quests of the Maniac difficulty- the highest QUEST difficulty of the game.

So what does this mean? Well the vast majority of content in this game can be played with Assist Mode, including the harder quest difficulty choices AND not necessarily only endgame content as only Maniac quests are unlocked after completing the story. Hard, Very Hard, and Extreme content will all be unlocked before beating the campaign and after so anyone henceforth saying it's only for "endgame" content are liars that should play the game for themselves, as I have begun on PlayStation and will continue on PC when available.

Thats weird

According to this screenshot
https://i.ibb.co/DtgBKPv/Relink-Diff.png

Assist mode only "activates" when you play on what is described here. Perhaps you can turn on the function but I expect it will do nothing unless one of the following conditions apply.

Now i'm even more confused.
Of course if it's just like you describe, you basically confirm what I've expected for the worst case scenario.

That screenshot literally said what they said. Where is the confusion?

[Chocos Ramabotti]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ZexxCrine:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Chocos Ramabotti:

Thats weird

According to this screenshot
https://i.ibb.co/DtgBKPv/Relink-Diff.png

Assist mode only "activates" when you play on what is described here. Perhaps you can turn on the function but I expect it will do nothing unless one of the following conditions apply.

Now i'm even more confused.
Of course if it's just like you describe, you basically confirm what I've expected for the worst case scenario.

That screenshot literally said what they said. Where is the confusion?

Cause someone with hands-on impressions states otherwise. There could be still uncertainties in the wording there. You know they actually already made it that confusing with different layers of difficulties, assist modes (two at once) quest difficulty which is supposedly not the same as Main Story Difficulty, not to confuse with "Story difficulty " on "Main Story difficulty"

You see, we're at a point where everything gets overthinked thrice. Just make a stupid selection when you start the game instead of including all these confusing side options that don't help anyone.
The developers shouldn't be surprised that everyone understands it differently.

[Demiurge]

oh for the love of..look it's not a pvp game. Who cares? I for one will not be using assist mode because that's boring. It's more fun to play the right way. However, I don't care if others do. If they want to rob themselves of having fun, that's their choice. It does not affect me at all. Oh they get an epeen affirming message at the end? Who gives a ♥♥♥♥?

[Fate]

I want assist-mode NOT disabled mainly because my hands are already disabled enough and spamming/mashing buttons a lot is hard on them after a while. Why are people so hell-bent on it?

Maybe disable it on co-op mode only at most, but apparently it's disabled for me when I do closed/solo games on extreme/proud difficulty. Those fights are harder and longer which makes it even harder on my hands.

Frustrating to have it disabled there.