Sandalphon perfect combo

[Kriss Hietala]

After messing with it a little I found that the first 4 perfect hits occur at constant interval of 615ms(or close to that). However the remaining two hits need to be way faster to trigger last 2 perfect hits and enable combo finisher. Even though the game shows (X) + 5 percect(X) on training dummy I had to do 6 perfect (X) + initial (X) to get COmbo Finisher (Y) ready.
SO it was

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(X) -615ms-> Perfect (X) -615ms-> Perfect (X) -615ms-> Perfect (X) -615ms-> Perfect (X) --> quickly spam (X) for 6TH Perfect (X) --> quickly hit (X) again for 7TH Perfect (X) and then Combo FInisher (Y) was ready.

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However game shows in command list 1 hit + 5x perfect hits to get combo finisher. It's hard to get it by eye how fast you need to click for the 6th and 7th hit but it's so fast that mashing button works so I assume 150-250ms ?

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COmbo sequence starts with a gapclose so if you're close to the enemy then a delay of 600-620 should work for first 4 hits but if you are further away it will dash to the enemy and might mess up the timing. It's very strict. 610ms and 620 was sometimes missing so they don't give you much room for lag or input latency. If you use something like lossless scaling with framegen or vsync hitting it off will be more difficult. Not impossible but harder. After restarting the game I get COmbo Finisher ready after 5 perfect hits or sometimes 6. It's not consistent and it pisses me off ;3

[shit owl]

my only question regarding him is because i dont remember but i think the devs are some testers touched on it shortly in a video but basically in his archangel form do you not have to time his attacks or is it still the same? because i think they said something about the timing not mattering in his archangel form although that makes me wonder what his special thing during link-time would be since siegfrieds is that he doesn't need to time his attacks

EDIT: yes i was correct you don't have to time his attacks in archangel mode however what is his link time special thing is it the same as siegfrieds then where he also doesnt have to time his attacks?

[Kriss Hietala]

when he grow wings you spam the attacks like charlotta instead of perfect timing it. Link or skill usage allows him to followup with combo finisher just like Percival with charged Schlacht++

[Photon Shield]

Originally posted by Kriss Hietala:

Even though the game shows (X) + 5 percect(X) on training dummy I had to do 6 perfect (X) + initial (X) to get COmbo Finisher (Y) ready.

So I tried to pay attention to the combo and his animation on practice dummy. He does have 5 perfect (X), not 6.
Here's the animation break down (after the initial X):

1. Upward diagonal slash
   
2. Thrust
   
3. Downward diagonal slash
   
4. Two-handed downward diagonal slash
   
5. Leaping two-handed horizontal slash

...and after that you can follow up with Y combo finisher (leaping two-handed vertical slash)

The good thing about his combo is that you can lightstep mid combo, which has a very long window to then follow up into a lunge attack. You can even spam them and recover from previous perfect combo. But unlike Sieg, whose perfect execution is the main goal for doing perfect combo, Sandalphon do it to build-up the arch-angel(?) gauge. Every perfect timing X still increase the gauge, using skill also increase the gauge which can be followed by Y combo finisher, further increasing it. Tho ideally, you do want to do the Y combo finisher as well when you commit to do the perfect combo. There's this sense of accomplishment by doing so.

[Kriss Hietala]

Originally posted by Photon Shield:

Originally posted by Kriss Hietala:

Even though the game shows (X) + 5 percect(X) on training dummy I had to do 6 perfect (X) + initial (X) to get COmbo Finisher (Y) ready.

So I tried to pay attention to the combo and his animation on practice dummy. He does have 5 perfect (X), not 6.
Here's the animation break down (after the initial X):

1. Upward diagonal slash
   
2. Thrust
   
3. Downward diagonal slash
   
4. Two-handed downward diagonal slash
   
5. Leaping two-handed horizontal slash

...and after that you can follow up with Y combo finisher (leaping two-handed vertical slash)

The good thing about his combo is that you can lightstep mid combo, which has a very long window to then follow up into a lunge attack. You can even spam them and recover from previous perfect combo. But unlike Sieg, whose perfect execution is the main goal for doing perfect combo, Sandalphon do it to build-up the arch-angel(?) gauge. Every perfect timing X still increase the gauge, using skill also increase the gauge which can be followed by Y combo finisher, further increasing it. Tho ideally, you do want to do the Y combo finisher as well when you commit to do the perfect combo. There's this sense of accomplishment by doing so.

Probably perfect combo hit also might have increased dmg cap just like other characters timed/charged attacks. Also it has interaction with some sigils.

[MZRYXX00]

I've tested this out as a starting point for a macro it helped a lot but the timing for me was different, had to do some trial-and-error. My final macro looked like this:
X (515ms) -> X (515ms) -> X (515ms) -> X (750ms) -> X (700ms) -> X (1000ms) -> Y

With 78ms between button down up action

[Stj.Srex]

What is the point in playing if you use macro?
Better practice doing combo, that is all you need to do.
I can literally hit 99% of time perfect combo with Siegfried, just with practice.
Sandalphon look to me the same. Didnt play with him much just did everything to max his weapon and that is it.

[Rena Ichigawa]

If your having so much trouble with perfect comboes that are insanely generous... thats literally... in all convlcevable ways... a skill issue... this is coming from someone thats mained vaseraga practically since launch.

[Elfaria]

bro, u guys use math?
I am there and just use feeling to do the perfect combo, not always succesful but hey, its fun to keep learning.

[rcketbnny]

I just finish the story and reach lv.100 which one should I buy first for early mid-late game content seofon or sadalphon?? I already buy Tweyen and she's fun.

[Kriss Hietala]

doesn't matter which character you get from the patches. all of them require farming bahamut or other PROUD mission. will get that quickly.