About the A, B, C, D curious discussion...but with source ._.

[L:D]

First of all, the source:
https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=relink&no=108756
(If the link doesn't work trough steam, try copy and pasting into your browser)

So, i want to first say that you all should keep in mind that i'm not here to preach an dcinside topic and make you all believe it's the ultimate true (i'm not believing on this 100%, and neither is the purpose of the dcinside post). The other guy is just an idiot and i'm just trying to translating for an better visualization/discussion. Ok? Great!

About the topic. Translated to start to end, go see the images it'll help to visualize what's happening (i'll also put my personal opinions/observations, if i have one, between ""):

He opens the topic saying he sold all his sigils followed with an screenshot saying 럭키 쿠폰으로 교환할 수 있는 진이 없습니다 (it's saying he doesn't have sigils to trade for vouchers). "Just believe he didn't reload anything from this point on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

He then went after an A curio and multiplied it by 999 (using CE) and repeated it 10 times.
The result was not an single + sigils. He also mention about filtering the results for Legendary/2 options and not getting anything followed with him reinforcing that it shouldn't be showing any + sigils or 2 options anyway. "He didn't mention where he got the initial A sigil, and again you just need to believe that any of the other screenshots are real. And this happens from here to end"

He then repeated the process for B cruios. Selling all sigils > getting an B curio > multiplying (CE) > repeating 10 times.
Here's a point where i'm not 100% sure what happened, so take this with a big grain of salt. It seems that he ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up with CE and ended ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up his game on his 8th batch. He couldn't trade his curios because it bugged in some way. Apparently there's a limit he can exchange, if he pass the limit the game breaks.
(Back to some degree of certain) But the result remaining the same, no + sigils for B curios. And from this point he decided to change 10 times to 5 times, so the game doesn't break. "Again, no idea where he got the initial B curio"

Same same for C curios. In his words, the V+ sigils are already showing up.
He proceed to show the list of the curios he got, mentioning that despite the amount of V+ he still didn't got any Supp V+. He also mentions about other sigils appearing that i >>THINK<< it's injury to insult and overdrive assassin. Then later he show the list of sigils he got after dodge payback. "There's two thing to consider here. First is that the localization for curio names is different, and i might getting something wrong, but i'm confident on the supp v+ part. Second, i can't say for sure if the other languages have the curios organized as same as english (although it seems to me to be the same)"

Still on C he filter the list for curios with one option, and proceed to show a ♥♥♥♥ ton of Damage cap V (no +), 적수공권 and 수라. Sorry i have absolutely no clue wtf is this, my guess would be quick charge and throw, i wouldn't take it as good guess tho.

It's D time.
He points out that even the materials from the D curios are better.
He then goes after Supp V+, and realizes that there's a good amount of them, in fact 2 pages of it. The screenshots are all showing what kind of second option he got on the Supp V+. "I'm not translating this part because, again, the difference between sigil names on localization ;_;"

Apparently when he tried to filter 1 options he didn't found a single sigil, so in all his trades all sigils he got had an second option.


At he end of the topic he talks a little bit that he still verifying, but it will take time since doing the process, and finding where the mentioned D curio drops is difficult and time consuming.

On his edit (추가):
He mentions that lower levels maniac quests are not dropping D curios. He complements saying he tried 10-30 times on different quests but had not luck on acquiring the D curio.
He say later on that he started to get D curios on Managarmr Maniac on a chance of 1:5 more or less.

On his final note: and i quote "I can't confirm it's real, but would recommend going for Managarm if possible..."
Which leads we to believe that Managarmr, Id, Gallanza, Maglielle, Excavalion, Vulkan Bolla and Angra Mainyu on maniac, has the chance of dropping the D curio. Besides, of course, all the quests in proud mode.


The general comments of the posts are confusion, people praying that the red dragon in proud mode drop D curios, people mocking other guy who believed that there was no curios drop difference and discussion if the game really divides curios depending on the quests you do. Some people are also skeptical about it.



Now for my own personal notes:
I think this is very interesting if you take everything as true, and let's be honest it has so many points that could be trolling that is not even funny. In any case, if any of these quests are comfortably AFK farmable i will probably do it myself just to test...but honestly i don't believe it. :P
If it's indeed true tho, realizing where C curios start to drop would be nice for consistent good drops, especially for new player.
I should also mention that, coincidentally, i remember watch 1 or 2 videos on youtube saying to farm Vulkan Bolla on maniac for damage cap V+ and better V+ sigils in general some time ago. Couldn't find the video anymore tho, so i'm going with the "believe me bro" here.

My KR is very basic, if any of you want to call me out and correct me, feel free to do so. If it sounds believable i will edit the post with the new information. Especially if you know the sigil names.
I will check the original post to see if he say something new but i have no intention on update here. Now with the source you guys can check it yourself.

Well that's it i think. Time for some Vulkan Bolla and Gallanza tests. ._.

[Vanosea]

Hello, I can give some data to the equation. So I've been doing the afk farm until I get 999 Curios only doing a specific quest.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3169790573
In this example, around 80% of the 999 Curios are from Gallanza (don't mind the low amount of gallanza mats in the wishlist, traded most of them into vouchers)

And the result of this so called "C or B" tier Curio is as follows
3 Suplementary Damage V and this:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3169790592
I understand the Less is more+ has the same droprate as a Sup+ sigil. But if we were to assume I were to start a fresh save, and this isn't my 5th 999 Curio opening, as you can see from the SS I got this around the 600-700 Curio. So, am I to assume 800 ish Curio box (minus 200 assuming from normal playing) equates to a 0.2% drop rate for a Sup+? Probably not.)

Why? That is because for the previous 2 999 openings, I actually did one on Id. And assuming Id and Gallanza drop the same tier, my 999 Id run opening was so bad I got 2 Sup (no +) from the whole batch. By that logic, shouldn't I get atleast 1 + from this batch? Like either a Less is More+, Sup+, or Glass canon + sigils?.

I'm in the camp that it works on a fixed with slightly adjustable RNG Seed. I don't believe there's a "D" tier of Sigils. And even if there was? The amount of afk/manual farming needed to still brute force getting a Sup+ Sigil is still so astronomically low it's not even possible to get one unless you have a god seed.

In my 500 ish hours of play, I've opened 4-5k Curios so far. And I've gotten a Less is more+ and Head Start+.So, in the no tier system, 1 + sigil has a 1/2500 rate. But thing is, my sample size is still too low.
The only TRUE way for this testing to work is
1. Have a sample size of atleast 100k.
2. Make sure all sample is earned through actual battles, not CE modification.

Since we're not sure how they code the seed, duplicating Curio earned is a bad way to gather sample representing the "Curio A-D tier" hypothesis.
PS: I find it weird they dub the D tier as the good drop. Most people would dub A as good but I guess the OP find D is a higher tier than A.

Edit: just realized the OG OP said managamr and up drops "D" tier Curio. I can say that is bull since I spent 3k of my Curio farm on quests harder than Managamr and only got 3 + Sigils from Curio.

[ZexxCrine]

Thanks for posting all this.

[brunolm]

> (If the link doesn't work trough steam, try copy and pasting into your browser)

You are too kind

[L:D]

Originally posted by brunolm (神 Knx):

> (If the link doesn't work trough steam, try copy and pasting into your browser)

You are too kind

Thank you.

[brunolm]

I compiled all the images in a single place that makes it faster to load
https://imgur.com/a/UQfv2En

I also added some translations

[L:D]

Originally posted by Vanosea:

Hello, I can give some data to the equation. So I've been doing the afk farm until I get 999 Curios only doing a specific quest.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3169790573
In this example, around 80% of the 999 Curios are from Gallanza (don't mind the low amount of gallanza mats in the wishlist, traded most of them into vouchers)

And the result of this so called "C or B" tier Curio is as follows
3 Suplementary Damage V and this:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3169790592
I understand the Less is more+ has the same droprate as a Sup+ sigil. But if we were to assume I were to start a fresh save, and this isn't my 5th 999 Curio opening, as you can see from the SS I got this around the 600-700 Curio. So, am I to assume 800 ish Curio box (minus 200 assuming from normal playing) equates to a 0.2% drop rate for a Sup+? Probably not.)

Why? That is because for the previous 2 999 openings, I actually did one on Id. And assuming Id and Gallanza drop the same tier, my 999 Id run opening was so bad I got 2 Sup (no +) from the whole batch. By that logic, shouldn't I get atleast 1 + from this batch? Like either a Less is More+, Sup+, or Glass canon + sigils?.

I'm in the camp that it works on a fixed with slightly adjustable RNG Seed. I don't believe there's a "D" tier of Sigils. And even if there was? The amount of afk/manual farming needed to still brute force getting a Sup+ Sigil is still so astronomically low it's not even possible to get one unless you have a god seed.

In my 500 ish hours of play, I've opened 4-5k Curios so far. And I've gotten a Less is more+ and Head Start+.So, in the no tier system, 1 + sigil has a 1/2500 rate. But thing is, my sample size is still too low.
The only TRUE way for this testing to work is
1. Have a sample size of atleast 100k.
2. Make sure all sample is earned through actual battles, not CE modification.

Since we're not sure how they code the seed, duplicating Curio earned is a bad way to gather sample representing the "Curio A-D tier" hypothesis.
PS: I find it weird they dub the D tier as the good drop. Most people would dub A as good but I guess the OP find D is a higher tier than A.

Edit: just realized the OG OP said managamr and up drops "D" tier Curio. I can say that is bull since I spent 3k of my Curio farm on quests harder than Managamr and only got 3 + Sigils from Curio.

I can't see the screeshots.

Gallanza would be in D drop right? Of course it's not 100% D drop but in your 80% (around 800 curios) it would be around 160 D curios if we can be optimistic about 1:5. So, 0.2% for Supp V+ on a real scenario is way too high if i'm not missing something.

About your Id batch, i THINK, it's not necessarily. We believing in a empty metric that is 1:5, and also believe that you'll hit 1:5 every 5 quests. But the reality is that you can not hit this for quite a while. The better way to check this up is to watch not only sigils but also materials, since in his tests it seems that D curios have better mats.
But yes, i understand what you saying and i also think it's very dubious that you didn't got an single Supp V+ or anything similar on two 999 batchs.

Absolutely, normal numbers would only exists trough normal farm. Replicating the right box only gives you the idea that this is real or not, which is the point of his posts. (although we all can agree the post itself is a little suspicious at the minimum)

[L:D]

Originally posted by brunolm (神 Knx):

I compiled all the images in a single place that makes it faster to load
https://imgur.com/a/UQfv2En

I also added some translations

This is still missing a lot of context, but that's great. :p
It's also funny that took you all this time to provide people some kinda of source and/or material to people cling on and understand wtf you are saying.

[Vanosea]

Originally posted by L:D:

Originally posted by Vanosea:

Hello, I can give some data to the equation. So I've been doing the afk farm until I get 999 Curios only doing a specific quest.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3169790573
In this example, around 80% of the 999 Curios are from Gallanza (don't mind the low amount of gallanza mats in the wishlist, traded most of them into vouchers)

And the result of this so called "C or B" tier Curio is as follows
3 Suplementary Damage V and this:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3169790592
I understand the Less is more+ has the same droprate as a Sup+ sigil. But if we were to assume I were to start a fresh save, and this isn't my 5th 999 Curio opening, as you can see from the SS I got this around the 600-700 Curio. So, am I to assume 800 ish Curio box (minus 200 assuming from normal playing) equates to a 0.2% drop rate for a Sup+? Probably not.)

Why? That is because for the previous 2 999 openings, I actually did one on Id. And assuming Id and Gallanza drop the same tier, my 999 Id run opening was so bad I got 2 Sup (no +) from the whole batch. By that logic, shouldn't I get atleast 1 + from this batch? Like either a Less is More+, Sup+, or Glass canon + sigils?.

I'm in the camp that it works on a fixed with slightly adjustable RNG Seed. I don't believe there's a "D" tier of Sigils. And even if there was? The amount of afk/manual farming needed to still brute force getting a Sup+ Sigil is still so astronomically low it's not even possible to get one unless you have a god seed.

In my 500 ish hours of play, I've opened 4-5k Curios so far. And I've gotten a Less is more+ and Head Start+.So, in the no tier system, 1 + sigil has a 1/2500 rate. But thing is, my sample size is still too low.
The only TRUE way for this testing to work is
1. Have a sample size of atleast 100k.
2. Make sure all sample is earned through actual battles, not CE modification.

Since we're not sure how they code the seed, duplicating Curio earned is a bad way to gather sample representing the "Curio A-D tier" hypothesis.
PS: I find it weird they dub the D tier as the good drop. Most people would dub A as good but I guess the OP find D is a higher tier than A.

Edit: just realized the OG OP said managamr and up drops "D" tier Curio. I can say that is bull since I spent 3k of my Curio farm on quests harder than Managamr and only got 3 + Sigils from Curio.

I can't see the screeshots.

Gallanza would be in D drop right? Of course it's not 100% D drop but in your 80% (around 800 curios) it would be around 160 D curios if we can be optimistic about 1:5. So, 0.2% for Supp V+ on a real scenario is way too high if i'm not missing something.

About your Id batch, i THINK, it's not necessarily. We believing in a empty metric that is 1:5, and also believe that you'll hit 1:5 every 5 quests. But the reality is that you can not hit this for quite a while. The better way to check this up is to watch not only sigils but also materials, since in his tests it seems that D curios have better mats.
But yes, i understand what you saying and i also think it's very dubious that you didn't got an single Supp V+ or anything similar on two 999 batchs.

Absolutely, normal numbers would only exists trough normal farm. Replicating the right box only gives you the idea that this is real or not, which is the point of his posts. (although we all can agree the post itself is a little suspicious at the minimum)

Oh god, I hope I didn't accidently set the screenshots as private. I don't know why steam set my upload at private by default but it should be public now. I'm currently working on a new 999 batch. This time though, it's 100% from Gallanza. It sort of a pain I can't play for 3-4 days but I'm willing to entertain the "Curio Tiers" idea.

I will delete every sigil (but will back up save. It's so I can note down sigils easier) and document mats in the batch. Currently at 400+ Curios so it's gonna be done cooking in 2-3 days.