So, PC version full of cheaters with Trainer?

[NoobAltF4]

Yep, I thought so.

[Nepnep]

Originally posted by fortyb4five:

Originally posted by Lienhart:

I haven't met any cheaters and have been playing online.

It's nowhere near as bad as you think it is because there is no PvP in this game. And if you're cheating to 1 shot monsters....any of the following apply to you:

1. You suck, literally, at the game
2. You are defeating the purpose of the game, which is to git gud. But this game isn't very hard....so back to point 1

If I see a cheater in this game, I'd honestly feel bad for them. There's something very wrong with them irl to cheat in this kind of game lol

I saw a streamer the other day doing the slime mission and they were literally just holding down square the entire stream. Such fun exhilarating gameplay. I use the trainer for speed up and mats...but i havnt went online once because im a nice guy and dont want to ruin anything for someone doing a boss the first time. Its really not that big of a deal. And no i definitely do not suck at the game. Without patting myself on the back too much im almost perfect with Narmaya and way above average with Fairy and Cagliostro. Just because you use the trainer doesnt mean you dont enjoy the combat and want to play at a high skill level. Grinding materials for hours in afkable missions doesnt mean you have skill. It means you have no life

Lol just go online. It's not like your save file gives you an actual unfair advantage. I mean, these people all afk grind anyway. You are just doing it the smart way.

[Setsugekka]

I'm not sure if I'm lucky or these ppl only pick their own quest on normal matchmaking because I've done up to 500 quick quests and no issue.

But on my first time normal matchmaking, I've met one and it was trash.
Oneshot Id with Zeta then instant dc after the kill, had square name too, no one had time to even move, I could tell the 2nd guy was dumbfounded by this ♥♥♥♥ as well...

Lucky I'm mostly a solo player so I usually done everything before jumping online for fun but where's the fun when one idiot just killed it ?

[Bunny Massacre]

Originally posted by fortyb4five:

Originally posted by Lienhart:

I haven't met any cheaters and have been playing online.

It's nowhere near as bad as you think it is because there is no PvP in this game. And if you're cheating to 1 shot monsters....any of the following apply to you:

1. You suck, literally, at the game
2. You are defeating the purpose of the game, which is to git gud. But this game isn't very hard....so back to point 1

If I see a cheater in this game, I'd honestly feel bad for them. There's something very wrong with them irl to cheat in this kind of game lol

I saw a streamer the other day doing the slime mission and they were literally just holding down square the entire stream. Such fun exhilarating gameplay. I use the trainer for speed up and mats...but i havnt went online once because im a nice guy and dont want to ruin anything for someone doing a boss the first time. Its really not that big of a deal. And no i definitely do not suck at the game. Without patting myself on the back too much im almost perfect with Narmaya and way above average with Fairy and Cagliostro. Just because you use the trainer doesnt mean you dont enjoy the combat and want to play at a high skill level. Grinding materials for hours in afkable missions doesnt mean you have skill. It means you have no life

No, you're a cheater, and worse, telling people that don't cheat "you have no life". You need to get over yourself, and you are definitely a cheater who can't play a game properly, as it was intended, which makes you bad at it. Come on, Man.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Maybe in NA server. I wouldn't know. For me. No.

[Lunamorte]

PC isn't full of cheaters using trainers. Most people do not know that things like trainers or cheat engine exists. Yes there are cheaters, but they are an extreme minority. Saying that PC is full of cheaters is nothing but an exaggeration.

[Om3ga-Z3ro]

Throughout my entire gameplay, I have only met 2 cheaters that one shot the boss.

[Gyson]

Originally posted by Heretic:

If someone cheats in mats to make the best endgame gear, yeah they've got a really strong build, but they aren't going beyond what's possible in the game. They aren't one shotting the boss, they're not invincible.

If someone has a really well optimised build, they might have farmed it, they might have cheated it, either way they aren't ruining YOUR experience of the game.

I just had this conversation in the past few days, but I'll repeat it here. I think it's shortsighted to suggest non-obvious cheats don't have a negative effect on others in a multiplayer environment, and I'll try to explain why.

Let's first assume we're talking about cheating in a way which provides your character with specific items that are obtainable in the game, but difficult to get naturally because it requires a sizable grind and dealing with RNG. This allows someone to increase the power of their character faster than they would normally be able to do. Your argument seems to be that this doesn't have an impact on other players in a multiplayer environment.

So let's shift subjects for a moment. One of the big reasons gamers dislike pay-to-win (where money can be used to pay for power or an advantage) is because originally video games represented a place where everyone started on equal footing and power was the result of time invested into the game and/or personal skill. Unlike the real world, your social economic status didn't matter.

Being able to buy power and/or advantages with money changed that. In pay-to-win games a gamer finds themselves in a situation where all their time invested into the game and personal skill can't keep pace with someone who is willing to spend increasing amounts of money. Even in a non-competitive (PvP) multiplayer environment, this can be a discouraging experience for a non-spender because their character can never perform on the level of someone who is willing to open their wallets. These non-spenders find themselves frequently being carried by "whales" and they rarely feel like their own contribution to a multiplayer scenario matters. For those not willing to buy power this is usually not a fun situation to be in; all the time they spent grinding provided no benefits in the end.

Now I ask you - what is the difference between someone obtaining power through money and someone obtaining power through cheating? Because I don't see much of one. In both cases you have individuals who are able to advance their power levels far faster and easier than someone who isn't willing to spend money or cheat. And the people who are unwilling to cheat get put into multiplayer matches with cheaters who will outshine and outperform them, who will carry them through the content, who will make them feel like they're barely contributing comparatively. And not because these cheaters invested more time or played better, but because they instantly provided themselves with more power through items. And, just as with the pay-to-win scenario, the motivation to continue playing for the gamer who is not cheating declines.

So now you have players who aren't cheating who start to feel like playing this game is pointless. And you also have cheaters who have essentially eliminated most of the goals they'd normally need to invest time into, and with nothing left to achieve they start to feel like playing the game is pointless. Before long the population of the game declines and fewer and fewer people see the point of investing time into what is seen as a "dying game", a decline which comes about much sooner than it probably would have. And those who stick around are unlikely to see the kind of developer interest and updates they might have received had the game maintained its popularity longer.

Those all seems like some pretty negative impacts to me. I don't care if people cheat in a single-player environment; they are only cheating themselves. But the moment cheating is brought into a multiplayer environment it starts to impact everyone.

[Doctrine Dark]

haven't ran into any so far but i do know they exist. But for real just kick them from your party and move on

[glass]

Originally posted by Bunny Massacre:

Originally posted by fortyb4five:

I saw a streamer the other day doing the slime mission and they were literally just holding down square the entire stream. Such fun exhilarating gameplay. I use the trainer for speed up and mats...but i havnt went online once because im a nice guy and dont want to ruin anything for someone doing a boss the first time. Its really not that big of a deal. And no i definitely do not suck at the game. Without patting myself on the back too much im almost perfect with Narmaya and way above average with Fairy and Cagliostro. Just because you use the trainer doesnt mean you dont enjoy the combat and want to play at a high skill level. Grinding materials for hours in afkable missions doesnt mean you have skill. It means you have no life

No, you're a cheater, and worse, telling people that don't cheat "you have no life". You need to get over yourself, and you are definitely a cheater who can't play a game properly, as it was intended, which makes you bad at it. Come on, Man.

slave brain
i bet you pay for rolls on the gacha versions of the game too

[Bunny Massacre]

Originally posted by glass:

Originally posted by Bunny Massacre:

No, you're a cheater, and worse, telling people that don't cheat "you have no life". You need to get over yourself, and you are definitely a cheater who can't play a game properly, as it was intended, which makes you bad at it. Come on, Man.

slave brain
i bet you pay for rolls on the gacha versions of the game too

I don't play cell phone games. Either way, anything you "earned" in this, is like getting the Wish version of the real thing. Convince yourself otherwise, but it's the truth.

[Stj.Srex]

I farmed 25 hours to max Siegfried, i did have help of friend who could easily do proud bosses so farming wasnt that bad, now i need to farm Terminus Weapon for him even tho Ascension is also rly rly good but Catastrophe is just to good to pass. I have a lot of materials to and MAS to maybe gear 1 more character. I dont know if i want to go beyond that because even with helps friend it took a lot of time to get what i want. Solo would be just to boring and i dont see my self farming materials like crazy solo, and i cant expect friend to always be there and help me. So using cheats to get mats sucks but i understand people who do that and maybe even i would do that if i have to level 1 more character but its not game breaking like one shot everything or not taking any damage

[Chris.T]

its a single player game with co op elements. The amount of people doing co op using 1 hit KO stuff is almost non existent. I've only seen 1 guy using no dmg cap in 800 something online matches. Most people are maxed out by this point anyway so if you're doing proud content expecting to not get carried you're just dumb. You also can just you know... NOT play Co Op which isn't required to play the game.

[♋Phenex]

Might have seen one at most in proto bahamut but then they toggled off or something after it dropped below 80% cause the cannons instantly phased him but nothing crazy after that.

[Cel]

This game is heavy grinding, cheating = get bored soon. Every new update they might comeback in a few days and then left again. Don't worry

[tumtedum]

I haven't encountered any but I am also in queued for Japan - Tokyo region for faster online queues.