Wait, all the characters are white?

[AILAD]

Where is everyone else?

[Digitalcat]

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

Publicado originalmente por dsmezzeruk:

Oh dear. Another trouble maker. The game was made in Japan that is culturally and traditionally a white/fair skinned country. I am sure if say the game was made is DR Congo or Nigeria it would be influenced by black culture and feature a large cast of black characters. It's life, move on and get over your woke self...

I think what people tend to ignore (or just play dumb when these discussions happen) is that Japan population isn't even white in its majority, and I'm not even saying white as in fair skinned, there are plenty of japanese characters in anime or games that have blonde/blue eyed people, and while theres nothing wrong with making characters like that, don't you think that if this was really a "game for japanese people" the characters would look more like... japanese people?

Fantasy Games are supposed to be fictional worlds, devoid of racial stigma, or other realworld problems that currently sit in our society, blonde blue eye anime characters have been a thing in their anime's long before it was ever something that was actively being localized to the west and the reason I can give you for that is, idk? Because they think those people are hot most likely? Because it's exotic to them? Considering that Japan has been heavily isolationist during it's medieval history? And the only ones allowed to trade with them were the Dutch and the Portugeese? The same way the west goes monkey brain mode whenever they see something with thick thighs and starts simping hard?

[kakodaimonos]

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

Publicado originalmente por kakodaimonos:

What's the reason pointing out characters skin color other than racism?

... Wanting to see a character that looks like yourself if you're not white for one reason? That you even can't think of a reason other than racism is pretty telling.

Then literally every game would need a character editor to cater to everyone. Which is simply not possible.
Forcing this attitude into games will sooner or later destroy the industry because you pretty much destroy the entire indie development teams.

Publicado originalmente por SunfireKnight86:

Publicado originalmente por kakodaimonos:

What's the reason pointing out characters skin color other than racism?
Right there is non. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ get your head around the fact that skin color doesn't matter at all. Unless ofc you are racist.

Because they're fictional and someone chose to make them all white. There's your racist.

Granblue Fantasy is an established franchise. If skin color is what you're upset about then sorry, you are racist. If all characters would be black no one would complain. So please spare me these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ excuses.

[HolyGrail]

I'm still having a hard time believing this thread isn't a joke.. imagine designing a world with unique characters including a man who put his soul into a doll so that he can be immortal; and then someone looks at your world and complains about it being "racist"... this is peak tourism Cancer.. I don't need to see myself in an anime to enjoy it.. I didn't need to be Mexican to enjoy Cyberpunk ffs.. why are you people such narcissists?

[Digitalcat]

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

Publicado originalmente por kakodaimonos:

What's the reason pointing out characters skin color other than racism?

... Wanting to see a character that looks like yourself if you're not white for one reason? That you even can't think of a reason other than racism is pretty telling.

I'm Albino, I'm NEVER represented, unless it's the sims and guess what, who cares. It's a fictional game set in a fictional world inside of a fictional universe, not trying to be reality, If the game had only black characters who cares it's fictional world, if it had all white, who cares, it's all fictional, if it had all Albino, who cares, it's all fictional. Get the point I'm getting at?

[SunfireKnight86]

Publicado originalmente por Holy Grail:

Publicado originalmente por SunfireKnight86:

A Japanese market where almost nobody is white?

Kinda like racism can get so culturally ingrained it becomes a problem everywhere.

Bro, you aren't entitled to rapresentation.. especially not in a country where you don't live in.. you also can't just buy 1 game and then think they have to burn down their businesses the next to cater to your selfish demands.

There's enough companies making anime that it's still a cut throat industry... it's competitive so they actually have to be responsible for making good media so they don't sink and burn and lay offs happen..

Not gonna read that.

[HolyGrail]

Publicado originalmente por Digitalcat:

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

... Wanting to see a character that looks like yourself if you're not white for one reason? That you even can't think of a reason other than racism is pretty telling.

I'm Albino, I'm NEVER represented, unless it's the sims and guess what, who cares. It's a fictional game, not trying to be reality, If the game had only black characters who cares it's fictional world, if it had all white, who cares, it's all fictional, if it had all Albino, who cares, it's all fictional. Get the point I'm getting at?

Yeah, no one has ever complained about GTA San Andreas being mostly black people, I only realized it sometime this year.. but then again back then media was meant to be enjoyed and there wasn't all this animosity and "communities" in it.

[LZXio]

Publicado originalmente por This PC:

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

I think what people tend to ignore (or just play dumb when these discussions happen) is that Japan population isn't even white in its majority, and I'm not even saying white as in fair skinned, there are plenty of japanese characters in anime or games that have blonde/blue eyed people, and while theres nothing wrong with making characters like that, don't you think that if this was really a "game for japanese people" the characters would look more like... japanese people?

The characters in this game are absolutely, 100% japanese tropes that represent their culture/artstyle. They are absolutely trying to appeal to the japanese market, they are a japanese company, and a majority of their playerbase is japanese/chinese. Even on steam, a very western platform, the peak times follow peak times in the east.

If you what to "acktshually" me about japanese people not being white, sorry, I still see you trying to impose your culture and belief on foreign culture, and that is where the problem is.

If you insist on telling me this game isn't made for the japanese market, well, I think your beliefs warp your perspective so hard that you need to twist reality to maintain them.

i'm not sure what you're on about, I'm pointing out that for media that is supposed to cater to their demographic as the person I'm quoting is implying, the japanese media sure do have a lot of caucasian people in it. If it was this dry cut as hes trying to put it, then, by the same logic, their media should have more japanese looking characters than anything else, and also trying to say that Sunfire has a point about the racism thing.

Publicado originalmente por Digitalcat:

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

I think what people tend to ignore (or just play dumb when these discussions happen) is that Japan population isn't even white in its majority, and I'm not even saying white as in fair skinned, there are plenty of japanese characters in anime or games that have blonde/blue eyed people, and while theres nothing wrong with making characters like that, don't you think that if this was really a "game for japanese people" the characters would look more like... japanese people?

Fantasy Games are supposed to be fictional worlds, devoid of racial stigma, or other realworld problems that currently sit in our society, blonde blue eye anime characters have been a thing in their anime's long before it was ever something that was actively being localized to the west and the reason I can give you for that is, idk? Because they think those people are hot most likely? Because it's exotic to them? Considering that Japan has been heavily isolationist during it's medieval history? And the only ones allowed to trade with them were the Dutch and the Portugeese? The same way the west goes monkey brain mode whenever they see something with thick thighs and starts simping hard?

Do you really think this is possible? If there is no racial tension (that which in turn could be made an analogy to real life stuff), or other "real world problems" as you put it, then wheres the conflict? Does everyone just get along and like each other? Not even Granblue is free from this if you pay attention to the story.

[LZXio]

Publicado originalmente por Digitalcat:

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

... Wanting to see a character that looks like yourself if you're not white for one reason? That you even can't think of a reason other than racism is pretty telling.

I'm Albino, I'm NEVER represented, unless it's the sims and guess what, who cares. It's a fictional game, not trying to be reality, If the game had only black characters who cares it's fictional world, if it had all white, who cares, it's all fictional, if it had all Albino, who cares, it's all fictional. Get the point I'm getting at?

There are people who care about this, if you can only think of yourself (if its not a problem for you then it can't be for anyone else) I don't think theres anything I could say that could satisfy you. Keep not caring I guess.

[LZXio]

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

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What do you even mean? Just because its media from somewhere else in the world than the US then people should "forget" about these issues? What kind of logic is even that? Like, "oh, I wish there were more black people in this game so I could feel more represented. What? Its a japanese game? Nevermind then, if only it were western, then maybe I could care."

[Digitalcat]

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

Publicado originalmente por Digitalcat:

I'm Albino, I'm NEVER represented, unless it's the sims and guess what, who cares. It's a fictional game, not trying to be reality, If the game had only black characters who cares it's fictional world, if it had all white, who cares, it's all fictional, if it had all Albino, who cares, it's all fictional. Get the point I'm getting at?

There are people who care about this, if you can only think of yourself (if its not a problem for you then it can't be for anyone else) I don't think theres anything I could say that could satisfy you. Keep not caring I guess.

Because I don't want stories to be reality, I want it to be fictional, I play games, read books to escape what is our ♥♥♥♥♥♥ society not to bring those things into it. It's a game with fictional races and yet we all want them to conform to our race drama. This tells more about how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ humanity is, because we cannot just have a moment and shut off our brains and not think about whatever we are constantly bombarded with whenever we step two feet outside.

[SunfireKnight86]

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

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What do you even mean? Just because its media from somewhere else in the world than the US then people should "forget" about these issues? What kind of logic is even that? Like, "oh, I wish there were more black people in this game so I could feel more represented. What? Its a japanese game? Nevermind then, if only it were western, then maybe I could care."

You are wasting your breath. These people aren't arguing in good faith, it's teenagers repeating things their parents have said.

[SunfireKnight86]

Publicado originalmente por Digitalcat:

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

There are people who care about this, if you can only think of yourself (if its not a problem for you then it can't be for anyone else) I don't think theres anything I could say that could satisfy you. Keep not caring I guess.

Because I don't want stories to be reality, I want it to be fictional, I play games, read books to escape what is our ♥♥♥♥♥♥ society not to bring those things into it. It's a game with fictional races and yet we all want them to conform to our race drama. This tells more about how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ humanity is, because we cannot just have a moment and shut off our brains and not think about whatever we are constantly bombarded with whenever we step two feet outside.

Sure. I'm sure if starting tomorrow every video game character and movie character was black you'd never say a word about it. lmao

[LZXio]

Publicado originalmente por Digitalcat:

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

There are people who care about this, if you can only think of yourself (if its not a problem for you then it can't be for anyone else) I don't think theres anything I could say that could satisfy you. Keep not caring I guess.

Because I don't want stories to be reality, I want it to be fictional, I play games, read books to escape what is our ♥♥♥♥♥♥ society not to bring those things into it. It's a game with fictional races and yet we all want them to conform to our race drama. This tells more about how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ humanity is, because we cannot just have a moment and shut off our brains and not think about whatever we are constantly bombarded with whenever we step two feet outside.

It still HAS to have roots in reality, or else you simply couldn't understand anything about the media, things wouldn't make sense. You see Gran's and other characters design and it feels right because they are based in something from real life, like for instance knights, which were literally troops used to wage war in most cases, wars, that in turn, are waged for personal or political interests. What I'm trying to say is that it NEEDS to be so, its not optional.

[This PC]

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

i'm not sure what you're on about, I'm pointing out that for media that is supposed to cater to their demographic as the person I'm quoting is implying, the japanese media sure do have a lot of caucasian people in it. If it was this dry cut as hes trying to put it, then, by the same logic, their media should have more japanese looking characters than anything else, and also trying to say that Sunfire has a point about the racism thing.

Most of the western media I consume is fantasy stuff, but it's still a product of my culture and still represents it.
I also don't feel the need to make associations about characters in a video game to see who they are representing and force conclusions opposite to occam's razor just because it fits a warped perspective of the world that I happen to embrace instead of questioning whether I'm right or not to uphold these beliefs so ardently.
It's a fantasy world, I'm not sure why you're trying to draw connections with the real world in the first place, misplaced as they are.
This is absolutely made for the eastern market, filled to the brim with tropes that cater to that market. If there's caucasian characters in it, like you say, then it's how their culture perceives caucasian characters ie: a trope for the eastern market.

[Digitalcat]

Publicado originalmente por Draka 1000:

Publicado originalmente por Digitalcat:

Because I don't want stories to be reality, I want it to be fictional, I play games, read books to escape what is our ♥♥♥♥♥♥ society not to bring those things into it. It's a game with fictional races and yet we all want them to conform to our race drama. This tells more about how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ humanity is, because we cannot just have a moment and shut off our brains and not think about whatever we are constantly bombarded with whenever we step two feet outside.

It still HAS to have roots in reality, or else you simply couldn't understand anything about the media, things wouldn't make sense. You see Gran's and other characters design and it feels right because they are based in something from real life, like for instance knights, which were literally troops used to wage war in most cases. What I'm trying to say is that it NEEDS to be so, its not optional.

I don't, because I can differentiate a game from reality, when I used to pop on games on the ps2, and guess what so were the majority of people, and we were all enjoying true crime streets of ny or GTA San andreas or Final Fantasy, no ones thought was EVER, Wow this game has either only playable white people or playable black people, this game needs more diversity. No one did, because it's not real.

Now forward in the year of 2024, and the first thing people think when they open a book or game is, well I hope it has a diverse cast of characters representing everyone, and doesn't approach any sensitive topics, etc, etc.

Stories DO NOT need to have roots in reality, the fact that you seek roots from realities in every corner means you cannot differentiate reality from fiction. Stories can make NEW concepts, that's why it's fiction, did you watch avatar and look at those blue people and think Wow, those sure are grounded to reality, or aliens for alien?