This games localization is an absolute travesty, which is a shame

[Zekkn]

So as someone who is at the end game grind already ( The game itself is amazing and can see myself playing it for a real long time, making setups and getting character/boss timing down ) i figured i would let people know this games "localization" is just as bad as you were thinking it was gonna be.

Multiple cases of characters saying simple, easy to understand and common day phrases/words turned into lame jokes or character quirks by the localizers at almost any point they can find the chance to.

We literally have examples of the protag saying to someone "Lets go *redacted party member name*", while the English version says "Are Ya Ready for some Ghost huntin".

This happens through out the entire game where if you have even a basic understanding of what characters are saying, you are playing a different game, with different characters, which gets REAL annoying REAL quick. I know that the failed writers turned localizers think that there lame jokes and "QUIRKY" righting ticks are soooooo much better than the games original characters and dialogue but im not here for your first draft OC's/script submissions. There is a reason you are not in those roles in the industry to begin with and weren't successful enough to get those jobs.

DUB-titles really need to be a toggle if the industry is gonna keep on insisting that they change characters and dialogue to this extreme extent. Which is even funnier that they have the subtitles reflect the dub script when the lips aren't even synced up in the DUB audio tracks to begin with.




This was probably a given to anyone who actually has been paying attention these past couple decades, but thought i would let people know anyway cause even to this day, im surprised by the amount of people that STILL don't get just how bad they are getting duped when you are playing these games in english (or even worse, are fine with it happening). Which really sucks cause this game is amazing especially if you are looking for a GREAT action game you can do co-op with some friends, which is where you will be spending alot of time ( ai teammates are serviceable once you build them up for specific things like stunning and buffing, but you can't beat co-ordination between people for systems/mechanics like this... go figure ).

Oh and the character designs are toned down/censored from their original outfits too for people who were not aware, which is just another problem on the list of things that drag down an otherwise amazing game.

EDIT HERE; Figure i would link the picture showing the original character design that's still in game currently (both STEAM and PLAYSTATION), which depicts that they did indeed add the pants on way later in the dev phase, seemingly cause they were forced to at gunpoint. Hopefully the original character models are still in the game files somewhere so they can be added back in by modders.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3152173351
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3152192923
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3152192943

JP devs stop listening to your western studio/partner contacts, as they don't know ♥♥♥♥ about this industry and what the fans/consumers of this hobby actually want and pay you money for. the western studios are dying and hated by the majority for a reason and you guys be the same way soon if you don't switch up your strategy REAL fast.

EDIT 2; Feel free to post your findings/comparisons in the thread aswell. Gotta start reclaiming it back from people who are just spam posting the same debunked excuses and bait replies answered ad-nauseam.






FINAL EDIT;
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Just figured i would say the amount of spam/bait posts that are sooo off topic and provide no useful info on the issues i bought up/are being discussed have gotten that bad im just gonna dip from the thread from now on cause alot of the replies are absolute cancer in human form.

Calling a bunch of the people that came to this thread for an anime game based on a waifu/husbando mobile gacha collector; "weebs", "virgins", "purists" etc... is not the smart/cool comeback or own you think it is, especially when you own the game yourself.

Still feel free to post your examples and findings of changes/mistakes you come across as compiling this stuff may be useful to someone down the line but don't expect me to reply to anything in this thread anymore, sorry for the people who are actually genuine and want info but there are plenty of people im sure are more knowledgeable that can answer you if asked.

I would also advise any other people to just ignore the bait posts as they are a lost cause that no amount of time/effort put into them will bare any fruit.

May see you guys in the MEGATHREAD for the NISA release of Kuro no kiseki for documenting changes, when that game comes out and ruins the characters/dialogue some more (HURRAY........)

PEACE _Vn

[ZexxCrine]

this is an actual issue that plagues the industry but unfortunately it can be hand waved away because it gets lumped in with the actually insane group of people upset that they gave characters spats instead of thongs.

[Zekkn]

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

this is an actual issue that plagues the industry but unfortunately it can be hand waved away because it gets lumped in with the actually insane group of people upset that they gave characters spats instead of thongs.

the costume changes are just as bad an issue and stem from the same root cause.

If the changes aren't that big a deal and "DON'T MATTER" then it didn't need to be changed from the start if that was the case. Of course people can't stick to that thought process though cause they are hypocritical and characters looking hot and attractive actually does bother them... which is why they have to downplay the issue and mock the people who call it out in the hopes enough people are dumb/lazy enough not to care aswell.

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by Zekkn:

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

this is an actual issue that plagues the industry but unfortunately it can be hand waved away because it gets lumped in with the actually insane group of people upset that they gave characters spats instead of thongs.

the costume changes are just as bad an issue and stem from the same root cause.

If the changes aren't that big a deal and "DON'T MATTER" then it didn't need to be changed from the start if that was the case. Of course people can't stick to that thought process though cause they are hypocritical and characters looking hot and attractive actually does bother them... which is why they have to downplay the issue and mock the people who call it out in the hopes enough people are dumb/lazy enough not to care aswell.

next time they put a shirt on a male character make sure to be as upset

[giganova]

This thread is more cringe than the localization.

[Shylaar]

Unfortunate, but expected. Does it at least let you swap to Japanese text, or are the JP and EN releases separated?

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

this is an actual issue that plagues the industry but unfortunately it can be hand waved away because it gets lumped in with the actually insane group of people upset that they gave characters spats instead of thongs.

They're both issues.

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

next time they put a shirt on a male character make sure to be as upset

I cannot think of a single instance of this ever happening outside of Mobius Final Fantasy. Perhaps one could consider that the reason people are normally complaining about female characters getting covered up is because that's what normally gets censored, while male characters are completely ignored, and in recent times, sexualised more than the women are.

[Meanwhile]

Originally posted by Zekkn:

JP devs stop listening to your western studio/partner contacts, as they don't know ♥♥♥♥ about this industry and what the fans/consumers of this hobby actually want and pay you money for. the western studios are dying and hated by the majority for a reason and you guys be the same way soon if you don't switch up your strategy REAL fast.

Looks like you haven't stopped buying the games even after a decade of hating the localization, so apparently it really isn't as big of a dealbreaker as you claim it is.

[Zekkn]

Originally posted by Shylaar:

Unfortunate, but expected. Does it at least let you swap to Japanese text, or are the JP and EN releases separated?

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

this is an actual issue that plagues the industry but unfortunately it can be hand waved away because it gets lumped in with the actually insane group of people upset that they gave characters spats instead of thongs.

They're both issues.

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

next time they put a shirt on a male character make sure to be as upset

I cannot think of a single instance of this ever happening outside of Mobius Final Fantasy. Perhaps one could consider that the reason people are normally complaining about female characters getting covered up is because that's what normally gets censored, while male characters are completely ignored, and in recent times, sexualised more than the women are.

Ah sorry i wasn't more clear

The subtitles are still the changed localization even with JP audio track... that's what i meant by DUB-titles.

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by Zekkn:

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

who is you guys. I do not represent a group. hows it a gotcha? a gotcha implies I had evidence to imply you wouldn't. your us vs them mentality needs work. and no censorship is not censorship. just because someone says something is something doesn't make it so. the best part of discussions like this is that these """""""""CENSORSHIP""""""""" changes more often than not come from all the way at the top. you can argue these localization changes all you want because they have merit. they are an issue created by the western market middlemen responsible for the game. the outfit changes are not. you have footage of the japanese version with """unsensored""" outfits? no you don't. This game was made in house by cygames not some random third party developer(ironically when the game WAS in the hands of platinum games as a third party developer the designs were more faithful to the mobile game) this is a deliberate art style choice by the creators not censorship. if there was a middleman responsible for these changes I would be right there with you that nothing should be changed from one version to the next, but this is intentional design.

you cant see the forest for the trees. you assume all aesthetic changes to tone down sexuality is censorship but the IP holders reserve every right to alter character designs whenever and however they wish when they make a new product. the same way I could draw a picture of a girl with a bikini and then draw the same girl in a suit. that isn't censorship, that's my right to do as an artist if I so choose because its my character.

Ok, i suggest you actually do some research on this matter and the industry as a whole cause a design or outfit can and does does get censored in the dev stages, like all the time... doesn't make it not censorship cause the devs did it themselves.

How can you be aware of the text/dialogue changes made but not character/outfit changes at the same time and fail to see were the main issue lies. As usual you have to downplay it in order to justify why it happening is okay... which is not a good start to you making your point AT ALL, especially when its this exact approach you are using now that people have against the text/dialogue changes. It is stupid and doesn't work for either issue.

I would love to know what i'm downplaying here. they took out pantyshots and sideboob to better cater towards a specific rating. there are still boob windows, exposed thighs, bare shoulders, detatched sleeves, stockings, and almost every other fetish you could have. if the goal was to make it puritan for the western market they have thoroughly failed. your simply making a mountain out of a molehill and refuse to see its just a molehill.

[Shylaar]

Originally posted by Zekkn:

Ah sorry i wasn't more clear

The subtitles are still the changed localization even with JP audio track... that's what i meant by DUB-titles.

No, I got that the subtitles are rewritten, that's normal. I'm asking if the game lets you swap the entire language to Japanese like with Fire Emblem Engage or Star Ocean 2 R.

[Meanwhile]

Originally posted by Zekkn:

Ok, i suggest you actually do some research on this matter and the industry as a whole cause a design or outfit can and does does get censored in the dev stages, like all the time... doesn't make it not censorship cause the devs did it themselves.

No, actually, that is the difference between censorship and self-editing. One is done to your work by an outside entity, and the other is when you change something you were making because you thought better of it. Literally every creative work gets changed many, many times before the final product comes out. You're just mad because you disagree with certain specific changes.

[Zekkn]

Originally posted by Meanwhile:

Originally posted by Zekkn:

JP devs stop listening to your western studio/partner contacts, as they don't know ♥♥♥♥ about this industry and what the fans/consumers of this hobby actually want and pay you money for. the western studios are dying and hated by the majority for a reason and you guys be the same way soon if you don't switch up your strategy REAL fast.

Looks like you haven't stopped buying the games even after a decade of hating the localization, so apparently it really isn't as big of a dealbreaker as you claim it is.

You can't be serious can you.

For starters alot of the games still have the JP audio track so you can get by with some basic knowledge in some cases. Hell i buy Jp versions of unreleased games if they don't get released here or the western company porting it take too long.

Second the game itself outside the Censorship is still a fun game and people have to play the game to let others know what changes there are and other shady ♥♥♥♥ that the localized versions do.

We want to play good games from these JP developers, its just the western influence has overstepped its bounds to the enth degree and now we have to let said companies know that the failed writers and activist don't speak for the people who are fans of JP culture and media.

If we did actually like what they spew out we wouldn't all be flooding to JP/Asian entertainment like most of the world has, and the western media/pop culture/entertainment wouldn't be as dead and despised as it is now.

[Zekkn]

Originally posted by Meanwhile:

Originally posted by Zekkn:

Ok, i suggest you actually do some research on this matter and the industry as a whole cause a design or outfit can and does does get censored in the dev stages, like all the time... doesn't make it not censorship cause the devs did it themselves.

No, actually, that is the difference between censorship and self-editing. One is done to your work by an outside entity, and the other is when you change something you were making because you thought better of it. Literally every creative work gets changed many, many times before the final product comes out. You're just mad because you disagree with certain specific changes.

Thats not how it works, especially when this series has prior designs to cross reference and we have examples of this game doing the same thing in other releases like the fighting game.

Self censoring is still censorship and is often done by these JP devs cause they think its what the overseas market wants, or more specifically are told by the western divisions they work/partner with, that they need to change things to sell over here and it wouldn't be seen as respectful or accepted in our culture. All of which is absolutely incorrect by the way, especially for the actual market/fandom these games are built around.

The Japanese Aesthetic, culture, beliefs and stories/characters are what drew people to them in the first place over the slop we are getting in the western market outside of indies who remember what the industry they are in actually is. Why remove the things people are coming to your product for in the first place?

Do you understand how this industry and game design/dev works at all?

Why is our hobby infested with so many tourist?

[Tr0w]

Let me guess it's another medieval fantasy game filled with "Saaaaaayyy Whaaaaat!" "Damn straight" "Damn Son!!!" "Squared away" "Imma" "Finna" "Howdy" "Sup" "Dude", etc, etc

[P1mple]

Another reason to not buy this game, shame..

[HolyGrail]

Originally posted by Meanwhile:

Originally posted by Zekkn:

JP devs stop listening to your western studio/partner contacts, as they don't know ♥♥♥♥ about this industry and what the fans/consumers of this hobby actually want and pay you money for. the western studios are dying and hated by the majority for a reason and you guys be the same way soon if you don't switch up your strategy REAL fast.

Looks like you haven't stopped buying the games even after a decade of hating the localization, so apparently it really isn't as big of a dealbreaker as you claim it is.

So you went from saying it's an issue in your opening post to this? Talking about consistency... it's almost as if the only reason you posted here was to throw shade at people not liking fancy designs changed to spats.. can't even hold a stance for the entirety of a thread..

Meeting you ghouls halfway down the censorship line just means we'll meet again. If only you knew how hated you are..