whats wrong with this game?

[provokastoras]

I don;t remember civ 4 being so aggressive.. it threw on me everything and the kitchen sink. It was not even pretending about it... by the end of the game I had to litterally kill 1000 enemy units.
At some point i think i had it on the ropes and farted 30 units in a turn to turn the tables. I ended up nuking every single city I did not control in order for it to stop.... wtf?
Nevermind that the combat odds are busted... Lost all 4 of my general guided ubnits in a 0.004 chance to loose....

[Flickmann]

Sounds like you've played too much Civ V and VI. Welcome to a real strategy game.

[Ville Valste]

The combat odds are fair and balanced. If you're trying to farm xp for generals from nearly dead units, you deserve have all of them die.

[provokastoras]

Originally posted by Flickmann:

Sounds like you've played too much Civ V and VI. Welcome to a real strategy game.

LOl you would not know a strategy game if it punnches you in the head. But yes Civilization 5 is a better strategy game, civilization 1 2 3 and 4 (the cd version before they patched it to be a zombie apocalypse) were also better strategy games, colonisation alpha centauri and colonisation are also better strategy games. Also never played 6 so you are wrong in all accounts. Probably won this game on deity before a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ milenian like you was even born btw so stop trying to welcome me to anything you are 20 years too young.

Originally posted by Ville Valste:

The combat odds are fair and balanced. If you're trying to farm xp for generals from nearly dead units, you deserve have all of them die.

hm this means 1) you noob never won the game. 2) you know that the game cheats, you exploit its cheats to beat it and you are being a smart ass... Or are you implying that programming it to win a 99,9 % battle in your favour to kill off your strongest unit is not a cheat? both means talking to you = waste of breath.

[Flickmann]

You sound awfully triggered; sorry not being able to beat a computer game has this effect on you. Your post is bordering on incoherent. Why is Civilization IV now a "zombie apocalypse"?

[bamdorf]

i Have been playing a lot of Civ 6 and I did play a lot of Civ 5. This week I happened on a let's play of Civ 4 that Quilll made just before Civ 5 came out. And I remembered. So I tried playing a Game of Civ 4. And then I really remembered. Civ 5 and 6 are very good games. civ 4 is a masterpiece. Gripping. If you are playing at your highest difficulty that you have a chance with, everything is constantly coming at you forcing one difficult decision after another. And if you are pressing hard enough to try to win, do or die situations that grant an epic feeling keep coming.. Truth is I remember playing Civ 4 20 years ago or so. And I can still remember some of those games vividly. Every game has multiple story lines. For example my current game. After exploring and setting up 3 cities I realized one of my neighbors was Rome. Ergo...cardinal rule: you must kill the Romans before they get a ton of praetorians. So all out against Rome. A close run thing, but a lot of Civ 4 games feel that way. Wow. I think a lot of people thought maybe Civ 5 should be a cleaning up and polishing of Civ 4, but they went in an entirely new direction. Well, I can understand that. Civ 4 BTS is like the original XCom. Still a lot of fun to play, not matter if its been 30 or 40 years LoL.

My suggestion is to play at very low difficulty levels and work up slowly as you start stomping the AI, move up a level. And read civ fanatics and other guides (Sulla, for instance). There is a lot of written help out there. And for this game, it is worth it.

Good luck.

[provokastoras]

I did not reply to the t,,, above not cause they are right cause I think i was wasting my breath. dont emulate them you sound like a descent person...
As I said I beated game my problem is that in 300 (tunrs fast game)it farted 1000 units. and yes at the end of the game i added up the ♥♥♥♥ i had to kill to win. sometimes it farted 20 or 30 in a single turn in one city... it also meant the game started attacking me after turn 100 and despite wanting a fast game i ended up kiliing the neverending hosts of minion fart. Also it is programed to not surrender even when you are raining nukes on its capitals like raindrops.
That is not strategy that is zombie apocallypse I nuked them so they mutated to zombies and attacked. in strategy you have to work for your troops in zombie apocalypse you just fart them. Masterpiece? on what whackamoling? the actual wackamole is more interesting you wield a hammer and it provides some excersise. there is no strategy in this game. train troops from start to finish and kill whatver it moves. it is called. shoot them up. not strategy. further more its a crappy shoot them up that once you get experienced over level 7 you auto die cause... level cap. They should had been honest and put a level cap like they did on civ 5 rather than program it to auto win every battle vs your level 7 troops. the fact that every single one of my level 7 troops died in a 1/1000 chance in a less than 1000 fights game cannot be a coincidence . it is programed to kill your units between 50 and 70 exp.
Which is why i never touched the game again neither . I creamed it but seriously I have better games to play than this wackamole. You think its a masterpiece, the fact that it has a deserted forum with 2 t... and a nostalgist speaking up for it speaks more volumes than the replies I did not get. if it was good it would also have fans.

And no it was not like this when I first played it back in 2008 if i remember this being a wackamole I would boycott it.
Also the game was not just abandoned from its fans it was abandoned by the company that made it too.. there are bugs persisting in this game for more than 10 years... Wow...and thats the second reason i never bother replying, is not like anyone will take interest and fix this crap to make it a proper game again. I just realised I wasted my money. I should probably give it a bad review so people know not to waste theirs too.

[CABAAL]

lol 300 turn on fast= 500 turn on normal which means the maximum turn for a game. if u have a stalemate with monarch or higher level ai 1000 unit is totally possible. the better idea is to plan ur attack way better and its not like civ 5 or 6 u can just walk into ais cities. try to avoid mutliple combats(war with 2 or more civs) and capitulate ur rivals 1 by 1 as soon as possible, and utilize tech advantage(esp for siege weapons like catapult or cannon). but since u view civ 5 better i guess u like easy stuff and hate real challenge. imo civ 5 just exploit the release of steam and new era of game publishing. Also, civ 5 control is totally unbearable, for like city production, u can easily queue up with shift for civ 5 u need to stupidly tick with ur mouse. Civ 5 also filled with bugs and they still even tried to fix it. I also use IGE for civ5 but world builder in civ4 is just much smoother and better. personally i had over 1k hrs on civ5 and 2k hrs on civ4 and to me civ4 control is like starcraft2 while civ5 control is even worse than brood war and i will never give civ6 a try as i see the development team went severely wrong as they think popularity among new casual players like u are more important. just delete civ 4 and go back to ur easy civ 5.

[provokastoras]

You know I wrote a nice wall of text that made you look like a dolt. I read it, deleted it and decided I have better things to do. hopefully this meh of a game will get enough people in their forums one day saying something good about it (yeah as if) so this discussion wont be on the top.

[Big Boss]

imagine being so bad at the game that when the AI whoops your ass you blame the game and others
wew

[provokastoras]

imagine still thinking the game is good after this thread is topping the forums for a whole month....
Must take a very special kind of snowflake to do that.
also finish the game first if you had you would know I beat it cause I already described the way to do it.... imagine being so bad at games ...that thinking that a game that is a race to build the manhatan project first so you can spam nukes is hard. makes me laugh. And yes thats the reason its way easier than civ 5. in civ 5 you might get like 2 uranium per node just so you cant throw a nuke on every enemy city 1 nce a round. simply put not enough uranium on the map.
Now if you are done humiliating yourselves trying to prove this game is good bye,.

[Scathe]

just because the game's steam forum has low attendance does not make the game bad. this is a game who's steam store page lists the release date as 2007. there are some other games as old as 13 years that I still play sometimes, but none as good as this one. it should not be surprising that a 13 year old game who's developers have moved on does not have much activity on it's forum.

nukes are bad, m'kay

nukes are not neccessary either.

[provokastoras]

well those are tastes I guess you like it good on you.

[Samadhi]

Civ 5 is where the game traded strategic depth for pretty visuals and simplified gameplay.

Its probably why you found Civ 4 so difficult, the difference is one is visually ugly but deep as an ocean, the other looks beautiful but is shallow as a puddle.

[michael]

Surely, after all these years, there are mods to fix the ridiculous combat in this game - aren't there? I mean, like, allowing ranged units, like Archers, to use their bows to fire arrows at enemies from a distance, for one thing. I don't want my archers running up and stabbing enemies with their arrows or bashing them over the head with their bows. Ranged Units. The clue's in the name. And then there's the melee attacks, which is really all there is for the most part, I'm fed up and sick of crossing my fingers hoping my attack with >90% chance of success doesn't end up with a unit with multiple promotions dying because the flea he tried to squash swallowed him whole It's not fun. It's not strategy. It's dumb luck. Dumb luck festered in CivIV BtS, with the random disaster events, and morphed into the god awful pig's breakfast that is CivVI Gathering Storm. Thanks to the CivV BNW developers for injecting some sanity between the two.

[provokastoras]

i don't lmpw frankly ,y problem is that i have to move 30 units a turn in this game which is frankly time consuming and boring... now people call it strategy here and difficulty.. I still think its a wackamole,. and I agree with you the soft cap cheat is not fair... you can savescum through like those guys do and then brag on how good they are at games.