Thanks for your candor, and for your quick response. Steam should be involved in this discussion - it is the cause of so much strife in the gaming community. Steam is a scofflaw corporation, which refuses to follow good consumer practices and changes terrible policies only after court action (which they sometimes ignore, as they are doing now with the game ownership issues that the European courts have already litigated). It's good to see a developer move swiftly to correct an issue. Much appreciated.

I just bought Anthem today, do I know it's dicontinued, blah, blah. Yes I am aware and suprisingly for an EA game; It seems like it was worth it even as single player campaign. Off topic but this thread is silly.

wasnt here like 5 pages a 50 comments ?

WoW

and all that because dev scammed us to re buy a game we already owned...

You all know where Liars go, right? Washington D.C.
And when you become the biggest Liar of them all they call you, "Mr. President."

MadMind should be a group of politicians, not business people or game devs.

*Mic Drop*

Let me set the stage by saying I've been on Steam for more than 8 years, and have over 500 games in my steam inventory, alone. That said, I have several thoughts, observations, and questions.....

First, I have bought more than a few games on Steam for a bigger discount than 95% (97%, 98%, 99%) and even gotten two or three that went through a limited time giveaway....that means they were 100% FREE for a limited time (Usually a week (7 day) window to get it for free). The line that you can't give it away for less than a 95% discount holds no water.

Second, I have purchased games that were/are censored but have a DLC option (usually free) that allows for the full version of the game. Some games allowed the DLC to be "obtained" for free for a period of time (many, many, many months) and then started charging but only after giving a 30 days (or more) notice that they would be charging for it. That argument also doesn't hold water.

Third, I have more than a few games in my steam library (I'll use The Transformers games as an example) that can no longer be purchased or found for purchase, but they are still in my inventory, and I can still download then and play them. In the case of The Transformers games, it was because ACTIVISION changed its Licensing Agreement, but the games (along with about 20 others) are still there for me to install and play. So... another argument goes down, and this time in Hellfire and flames.

MadMind has played games with its customers in relation to this game since the start. I'm calling it all a BS money grab behind a bunch of smoke....but we can see through.

Now, if...IF....people decide to give in to the smoke and mirrors and purchase something they already had.... IF Steam changes it's agreement, or... IF there is another solution found that's better... can/will those who (re)purchase AU be given refunds?

Like others, I got the game early on, and I got it for the UNRATED version. You can have the current (censored) version back! I'll give you my key for AGONY: CENSORED in exchange for AGONY: UNRATED. How about that?

Final thoughts:

I don't know that I will ever be able to purchase any more MadMind games in the future. I have not purchased SUCCUBUS, and won't until this is resolved. I have other MadMind games on my wish list, but I will be removing them all and refusing to purchase any more games, until this is resolved, and resolved in a manner that is satisfactory to all.

And a final, final thought:

I get keys to free games on steam a lot via Humble Bundle. The Dev could also give away keys that way (HumbleBundle) or via it's MadMind website and that would go around steam entirely.

Stop playing games with your customers, MadMind, Give us the games you promised, and that we purchased, or the Red Goddess will be coming for you and your profits because people aren't gonna buy the BS anymore, or your crummy games.

Originally posted by GraVe:

wasnt here like 5 pages a 50 comments ?

WoW

and all that because dev scammed us to re buy a game we already owned...

The +5 pages of comments are on the AGONY: CENSORED version... This is AGONY: UNRATED, so it's the same post, but different game. I just copied and pasted my comments from the other thread into this one.

You can delete comments as much as you want, but you will not shut us up in some regions instead of the promised 95% discount costs 75-85% it is not good that it prevents you from just giving away the game to those who have already bought it in steam before, why all this clowning

Please just accept the fact that this was a weird thing from:
- Players side (raging for a thing that we got for FREE if we had the main game...)
- Steam's side
- Your (developer) side.

Now it's on -99% (9 cents) for those who have the main game, 40-something cents for Asians, and 85% (1.87€) if you don't have the main game.
I actually spent some dimes for this now, so I'm not even mad.

(imagine the next thing: somehow you (dev) make the Unrated version free again in the near future.
Then the next rage will be "I SPENT 9 CENTS ON THIS GAEM, GIMME BACK MA'h MONEY!"... )

It was 99% for me.

96%

Originally posted by CrazyDoctor:

I get keys to free games on steam a lot via Humble Bundle. The Dev could also give away keys that way (HumbleBundle) or via it's MadMind website and that would go around steam entirely.

You can't obtain Steam keys without them first being generated by Steam/Valve. Devs are free to do with them what they want once they receive them (within certain rules) but there's no way to do an end run around the Steam platform to put a game on Steam.