Questions about the magic path.

[Brother-Apothecary Duck]

So I've decided to go to the magic island for my first run, and I've found that most of my progress has been through exploration and hardship, as the quests have not given me a clear path in how to obtain better gear, but I am officially at a stand still, as I cannot think of anything else I can transform with alter gems, and I cannot dig any deeper than I already have. So, I have some questions.

A: How do I get better armour? I am stuck with steel as I haven't found any recipes or such that can give me something stronger.
B: How do I get some better ranged weapons? I have gotten a Dragonflame, but as many of the enemies are resistant to fire, It is not of much use, and I certainly need something that hits harder in order to beat the ???.
C: Does using alter gems on different tiers of dragons give different items? I tested using a young dragon since I felt the baby might give me something really weak and the adult was too expensive since spirit gems are so rare.

Edit: Tested answered C with a baby dragon, new question: Is it worth transforming my adult dragon? Went to the right to see what was there, found an even bigger dragon and evolution crystals, not sure if I should transform or wait to see what else I can do.

To summarize, I have a Drain Sword, Dragonflame, Wyrm Drill, Steel armour, and an adult dragon familiar, I have not beaten either the Wyrm queen or the ???, and am completely lost as to how I can get better gear.

I believe there needs to be more quests to give direction on how to progress, at least for the magic island, or at least some tips or hints along the way.

[Arkhne]

Keep going East, you will find a funky purple building that changes the time to Night. Wait around a minute, and a Witch will appear with a quest. Complete the quest, and you have the main form of magic equipment. Find some places to farm Shadow Fur - you'll need it.

Beyond that, there is a Spirit dungeon on the pink island in between that has some pretty unique items available, including stuff that can kill spirits (Not very useful until you go to another planet and get access to another spirit dungeon).

The problem with a pure magic path is that most of the decent stuff is locked behind Evolution Gems, which requires beating ???. This includes not terrible mining. Laser Drill is available much easier than Queen Wyrm Drill.

Between the pink Island and the Witch, there is a fish colony on the bottom of the sea, be aware of your oxygen levels and there may be some interesting things there for you.

EDIT: At risk of turning this into a wall of text, I'll add this. The Alchemist gives you the quest to find ???. As to fighting them, I recently realized how amazing Shields are in the fight. This could solve your problems for you. I am TERRIBLE at the combat in this game, but I think I managed to win without using any food with a Shield. Block the balls thrown at you with the shield so you can get into position to stab them when they open up. Hide behind Alchemist to heal if you made a mistake.

[David Maletz]

Yeah, the magic path is intentionally more discovery/exploration based, and less structured as the science path. Warchild has some good tips, and I would try using an alter gem on an adult dragon (you can always transform it back if you don't like it).

[Brother-Apothecary Duck]

Alright, I've made a good amount of progress using your suggestions, but I am again a little stuck, although to a lesser extent. One problem is I need some way to breathe underwater in order to get to the fish colony, I cannot think of any way to get a recipe for such an item except in a water area, which I can see is only in the ocean, if there are any areas higher up that I could access, I have no idea where they might be. Another problem is even if I try to just stock up on healing food and force my way down, I have no sources of light other than torches, so I would instantly get lost.

I also still have no idea how to find earth or ice spirits, Earth I assume if I just keep digging in the islands I'll find something, but for ice I couldn't even find one in the ice cave above the main magic island. Obviously I need both in order to create evolution shards, for the evolution gem, to progress with the dragons.

One big issue I found is the lack of description of items you can craft can really screw you over. For example, the first five evolution shards I got from the elder dragon island I used to create an evolution seed, assuming it would create a tree or something that would occasionally give me more shards, but found out it just makes another evolution chamber.

Edit: So the main village got bombed, I see most of my stuff has been moved to the cave, but with the merchants gone I have no way of getting more chickens and cows, and I can't buy the ultra bag anymore which I planned on turning into the plant bag, I also can no longer make many of the food recipes, and I also lose the convenience of the warehouse. Is there any way to get these back?

[FiatLux]

Nguyên văn bởi Brother-Apothecary Duck:

One problem is I need some way to breathe underwater in order to get to the fish colony,

You can dig deep into the island that is next to the fish colony and then dig a hole like a reverse U with I/O channel though the legs of the U then into the water (will prevent water run into the rest of your tunnel. If you need only to go from foot of island then that might give you enough time to swim to fish village though I do not know for sure and can not guarantee it..

[Arkhne]

Ok, according to the wiki, the recipe for the Water Helm (+light, +oxygen) is on the pink Island that I mentioned. It can be a little tricky to make on a pure magic path though.

By the sounds of it, you removed your spirit goggles, and stopped seeing spirits, as you have been to the places where the spirits are, but not seen them. The Ice Spirit is on the floating Island about the Magic House above where you fought ???. Earth Spirit is on the starting island. There are others, but they are further away.

There are still shops in Sunset Haven (west of starting island), although that is essentially science path, so it's a question of whether going to a science island to buy stuff that you otherwise had access to is OK to you.

On the floating island that I mentioned, there is a building that can be activated with an Ice Gem, if you stick the Evolution Seed (Tip: Magic buildings have an "uproot" option) in that, it should give you your gem back.

I can give you more detailed directions if you want, but I've been trying to leave "something to be discovered", since I am too lazy to learn how to spoiler tag stuff.

Nguyên văn bởi FiatLux:

Nguyên văn bởi Brother-Apothecary Duck:

One problem is I need some way to breathe underwater in order to get to the fish colony,

You can dig deep into the island that is next to the fish colony and then dig a hole like a reverse U with I/O channel though the legs of the U then into the water (will prevent water run into the rest of your tunnel. If you need only to go from foot of island then that might give you enough time to swim to fish village though I do not know for sure and can not guarantee it..

By the sounds of it, they are "stuck" with the Wyrm Drill, unless we tell them how to make the Queen Wyrm Drill. Which means both options for fish village is out. The dark purple rock that blocks the underground path cannot be mined by the basic Wyrm Drill, nor can the sand blocks. I suppose mentioning the village was a little too much info, as you basically need to know where it is, and where the house (refills oxygen) is in it, if you want to use it without extra oxygen.

[Apprentice Alchemist]

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I don't understand how you can get stuck like that. The alchemist suggests adult dragon + dragon armor.
The elder dragon tells you about the fish village.
The recipe for the next drill is on the second magic island, underground. (you need spirit sight though)
Just explore and follow quests.....

[Arkhne]

Nguyên văn bởi Apprentice Alchemist:

....
I don't understand how you can get stuck like that. The alchemist suggests adult dragon + dragon armor.
The elder dragon tells you about the fish village.
The recipe for the next drill is on the second magic island, underground. (you need spirit sight though)
Just explore and follow quests.....

Elder Dragon only talks to you after you defeat the Old One.

[Apprentice Alchemist]

Just defeat the Old One!
Full Speed Potions + A Dragonflame or even a bow.
You don't need anything else. (maybe 5 dragonblood just in case)

[Arkhne]

Nguyên văn bởi Apprentice Alchemist:

Just defeat the Old One!
Full Speed Potions + A Dragonflame or even a bow.
You don't need anything else. (maybe 5 dragonblood just in case)

Clearly you underestimate how difficult the combat in this game can be for some people.

[Apprentice Alchemist]

Stay behind the Alchemist, and then dodge when he uses his beam attack.
Or invest a lot of skill points in health, and farm some dragonblood to tank his attacks.

[Brother-Apothecary Duck]

I suppose I probably did miss some recipes, I forget to swap my dragon armour out for the spirit goggles, quite annoying that it takes up both slots.

[Brother-Apothecary Duck]

Nguyên văn bởi Warchild:

Earth Spirit is on the starting island.

I completely forgot about this, it's been so long since I saw him

[Arkhne]

Nguyên văn bởi Brother-Apothecary Duck:

I suppose I probably did miss some recipes, I forget to swap my dragon armour out for the spirit goggles, quite annoying that it takes up both slots.

Make a Black Cat (and select Disable Attack on it, I wish I could make all my pets default to Disable). Combine a Cat (catch one of the night-time cats on the starting island) with a Shadow Fur (drop from the same cats) in the Vine Copse (green magic building). Black Cat is a VERY good familiar, which includes spirit sight without an overlay, and frees up your head slot.

Also, something that took me a while to notice - Spellcrafting skill doesn't just reduce spell costs, it also reduces the Stamina cost of using Magic-specific weapons (Weapons from the spirit dungeons, fish village, or the witch). At max, they are pretty fair cost-wise, but you can push them past max to make them crazily cheap to use.

I avoid the DRagon Armour for just that reason, however, the armour that I do use (Scale Mail), requires Great Armour as the base, which comes from the Factory - a Science Path building, so it is not available in a pure Magic Path. There is, however, an alternative. Go back to the starting Island, spirit gem the Earth Spirit, then dig right down to the bottom (past the fire birds) under the dragon lair (grey rock). Defeat the big guy in that dungeon, and proceed to craft what used to be THE Ultimate Gear in the game (and is STILL the highest defence helmet, and a damned good weapon), the body armour is still quite good.

[kopiC]

Shield magic book(equip on off-hand), Spellcasting skill max level, equipment that boost Spellcasting skills (witch robe, etc). Now you have invincible shield.
Just carry some Stamina restoring food (pies).
Be patient and learn boss enemies attack pattern, only attack when there're opening.

(Side note: I defeated last boss with magician robes)

[Apprentice Alchemist]

Spirit Robes are even better.
Interstellar Broom is best for shielding.