Second season syndrome AGAIN, advice needed

[rickmof]

Guys I need advice. I would consider myself a very good player on ever previous FM, but this one I can’t seem to maintain any sort of consistency! I started a Bournemouth save, finished 5th which I was happy with, next season I was sacked due to struggling in 12th or something. Started a wolves save, finished 4th which is a great season, next season I was sacked because I was well off the pace in 10th! Not changed tactics, if anything I should have done better as I bought players to fit my tactics better. Anyone else having these issues? FM18 for example I had the same tactics for like 20odd seasons with 1 team and dominated, now I can’t build anything because my players can’t be bothered after 1 season it seems.

Also tactics wise, I have always been a believer in setting players roles as their natural roles (deep lying playmaker for example) but I have seen some tactics out there of people bragging of going 77seasons unbeaten with like David Silva being a ball winning midfielder and balotelli a pressing forward, things like that anyway. Does it have a big impact on results really?? I like to see a full green circle, not half an orange one!

Any help or advice would be great

[Rowdy Rob]

It would seem that in FM19 if you have had a better finish than expected, AI teams treat you more cautiously and play different tactics to stop you scoring and winning games.

For the following season, pay more attention to what the opposition are trying to do against you and tweak your tactic accordingly.

[HUNT3R]

Originally posted by robsreviews:

It would seem that in FM19 if you have had a better finish than expected, AI teams treat you more cautiously and play different tactics to stop you scoring and winning games.

For the following season, pay more attention to what the opposition are trying to do against you and tweak your tactic accordingly.

That's true for many FMs though, not just FM19, by the way. Still is correct.

[HUNT3R]

Originally posted by Diego:

Maybe you should focusing more on your motivating. Obviously your tactic is good, judging on your first season,, try to do something with your individual motivation of players, pre-briefings and especially with team talks,, they are crucial for great result..you can have great players, great tactic but if your motivation is.no good, your results will suffer.

No, it's tactical and player quality. That's the crucial part of it. Team talks etc play a small part.

[HUNT3R]

Originally posted by Diego:

Originally posted by HUNT3R:

No, it's tactical and player quality. That's the crucial part of it. Team talks etc play a small part.

Team talks are very important,, you should try to use this and you will see the difference;)

I have, which is why I know. I can give the complete wrong team talk and still do well. I even wrote about it years ago.

[rickmof]

Thanks guys. My first season was an attacking gegenpress. Second season started off well, I beat spurs away and Man Utd at home both 4-1. I even beat Bayern in the CL 5-3. Then out of nowhere it just stopped working!

Tactic wise now I’m at a loss as I bought hard working players to aid the high press, now when teams are countering me I am not sure what alterations to make to the high pressing style, nothing see,s to work, or it does for one match then the next I’m losing at home to palace or something, quite frustrating. In regards to team talks I often say expect a win because this seems to get the most positive reaction, and underdog if we are up against a big side.

[HUNT3R]

Originally posted by Diego:

Originally posted by HUNT3R:

I have, which is why I know. I can give the complete wrong team talk and still do well. I even wrote about it years ago.

I don't agree with your thesis that, for example, you tell your players before every game Calm/I expect a win and they will win. Because if you play on that way they surely don't win in every game...of course, there we have also individual speaking with players before the match (players in poor form, striker can't score etc etc) so we must warn them about this problems..speaking with players is crucial..I also described this in my this season's tactics😎

That's your assumption of what I said.

[IvanChe]

At season start you chose your goal tittle, eu, top table, mid table, relegation fight...
You didn't meet expectation that actually you chose at beginning.
Also tactic, maybe some roles don't work well together, it's not just put some tactic get best players at let them play natural role and watch fireworks.

[HUNT3R]

Originally posted by rickmof:

Thanks guys. My first season was an attacking gegenpress. Second season started off well, I beat spurs away and Man Utd at home both 4-1. I even beat Bayern in the CL 5-3. Then out of nowhere it just stopped working!

Tactic wise now I’m at a loss as I bought hard working players to aid the high press, now when teams are countering me I am not sure what alterations to make to the high pressing style, nothing see,s to work, or it does for one match then the next I’m losing at home to palace or something, quite frustrating. In regards to team talks I often say expect a win because this seems to get the most positive reaction, and underdog if we are up against a big side.

How are you actually doing though? Ignore Diego about team talks. Where are you expected to finish? Where are you now? What's the tactic you're using? ETC. It seems quite obvious that the bigger teams who are more open and attacking, give you too much space and you fare well. Other teams won't do that, so you're going to have to get into the tactical side of things to create space and use the created space. You're still only Bournemouth and still only season 2, so you need to temper the expectations and not expect to finish top 4. Your squad isn't of that quality.

[rickmof]

Originally posted by HUNT3R:

Originally posted by rickmof:

Thanks guys. My first season was an attacking gegenpress. Second season started off well, I beat spurs away and Man Utd at home both 4-1. I even beat Bayern in the CL 5-3. Then out of nowhere it just stopped working!

Tactic wise now I’m at a loss as I bought hard working players to aid the high press, now when teams are countering me I am not sure what alterations to make to the high pressing style, nothing see,s to work, or it does for one match then the next I’m losing at home to palace or something, quite frustrating. In regards to team talks I often say expect a win because this seems to get the most positive reaction, and underdog if we are up against a big side.

How are you actually doing though? Ignore Diego about team talks. Where are you expected to finish? Where are you now? What's the tactic you're using? ETC. It seems quite obvious that the bigger teams who are more open and attacking, give you too much space and you fare well. Other teams won't do that, so you're going to have to get into the tactical side of things to create space and use the created space. You're still only Bournemouth and still only season 2, so you need to temper the expectations and not expect to finish top 4. Your squad isn't of that quality.

Bournemouth I got sacked, the lowest I could select was euro qualification, so when I was 12th with only a few games to go they got rid. I then started a wolves game and the same happened, broke into the top 4 then next season it died. 433(DM) with inside forwards. Attacking mentality with high press and direct passing down the flanks. My striker finished top scorer last season with 28, he has 4 in 28 this season ...

I really appreciate your comments thank you.

[HUNT3R]

Originally posted by rickmof:

Originally posted by HUNT3R:

How are you actually doing though? Ignore Diego about team talks. Where are you expected to finish? Where are you now? What's the tactic you're using? ETC. It seems quite obvious that the bigger teams who are more open and attacking, give you too much space and you fare well. Other teams won't do that, so you're going to have to get into the tactical side of things to create space and use the created space. You're still only Bournemouth and still only season 2, so you need to temper the expectations and not expect to finish top 4. Your squad isn't of that quality.

Bournemouth I got sacked, the lowest I could select was euro qualification, so when I was 12th with only a few games to go they got rid. I then started a wolves game and the same happened, broke into the top 4 then next season it died. 433(DM) with inside forwards. Attacking mentality with high press and direct passing down the flanks. My striker finished top scorer last season with 28, he has 4 in 28 this season ...

I really appreciate your comments thank you.

So as I said, you don't have the quality and your expectations are unrealistic. You get lucky and catch teams off guard. When they, for the most part, take you more seriously and give you less space, you struggle. It's a case of adjusting tactically while you build a better squad. The other teams DID change how they set up against you. If you didn't realise this and adjusted yourself, then there's the issue.

[rickmof]

Originally posted by HUNT3R:

Originally posted by rickmof:

Bournemouth I got sacked, the lowest I could select was euro qualification, so when I was 12th with only a few games to go they got rid. I then started a wolves game and the same happened, broke into the top 4 then next season it died. 433(DM) with inside forwards. Attacking mentality with high press and direct passing down the flanks. My striker finished top scorer last season with 28, he has 4 in 28 this season ...

I really appreciate your comments thank you.

So as I said, you don't have the quality and your expectations are unrealistic. You get lucky and catch teams off guard. When they, for the most part, take you more seriously and give you less space, you struggle. It's a case of adjusting tactically while you build a better squad. The other teams DID change how they set up against you. If you didn't realise this and adjusted yourself, then there's the issue.

Yeah see I did alter, I went to a more conservative patient approach but if I’m not drawing 0-0 then I’m losing. I’m in between being a good team and an underdog. What tactic do you normally go with?

[HUNT3R]

Originally posted by rickmof:

Originally posted by HUNT3R:

So as I said, you don't have the quality and your expectations are unrealistic. You get lucky and catch teams off guard. When they, for the most part, take you more seriously and give you less space, you struggle. It's a case of adjusting tactically while you build a better squad. The other teams DID change how they set up against you. If you didn't realise this and adjusted yourself, then there's the issue.

Yeah see I did alter, I went to a more conservative patient approach but if I’m not drawing 0-0 then I’m losing. I’m in between being a good team and an underdog. What tactic do you normally go with?

You said you didn't alter anything? So which is it? It's incredibly difficult if we keep changing stories.

I don't normally "go with" any tactic. I set one up that suits my players and my team's status, be it underdog, mid-table or top dog. If you're just looking for something that universally works, download an exploit tactic from a site or Steam.

[HUNT3R]

Originally posted by Diego:

That don't make sense,, even IRL greatest managers don't change their tactics,, they just fit players into their tactics..changing tactic every other game is not a path to success..not in real life football,, not in FM..okay Allegri likes to do it IRL,, but that's his way..Many great managers don't change tactic, ever,, they just rotate well, they motivate well their players and this is it..Football is a simple game.

Think a little. The great managers are at great clubs. Fact is, they do change, every match, just very little. Fact is that here, we have Bournemouth, not Man City, so it isn't a "great" club.

[rickmof]

Originally posted by HUNT3R:

Originally posted by rickmof:

Yeah see I did alter, I went to a more conservative patient approach but if I’m not drawing 0-0 then I’m losing. I’m in between being a good team and an underdog. What tactic do you normally go with?

You said you didn't alter anything? So which is it? It's incredibly difficult if we keep changing stories.

I don't normally "go with" any tactic. I set one up that suits my players and my team's status, be it underdog, mid-table or top dog. If you're just looking for something that universally works, download an exploit tactic from a site or Steam.

I started the second season the same, I have since been sacked, posted on here, added myself back as the wolves manager and gone to a more cautious approach which isn’t really working as we are barely creating anything yet the AI seem to score every chance they get.

[HUNT3R]

Originally posted by rickmof:

Originally posted by HUNT3R:

You said you didn't alter anything? So which is it? It's incredibly difficult if we keep changing stories.

I don't normally "go with" any tactic. I set one up that suits my players and my team's status, be it underdog, mid-table or top dog. If you're just looking for something that universally works, download an exploit tactic from a site or Steam.

I started the second season the same, I have since been sacked, posted on here, added myself back as the wolves manager and gone to a more cautious approach which isn’t really working as we are barely creating anything yet the AI seem to score every chance they get.

So that means you need to make better changes. The ME is the same for everyone, including the AI.