The AI Cheats

[Gards]

Because many of you do. Just today I witnessed game-breaking cheating from the AI. I don't run any dodgy software or use anyone's training or tactics from the internet. I have a brain of my own. But, the blatant pisstake cheating by the AI is really putting me off this game.

I'll share some examples of footage tomorrow. I'm too angry right now. I'm sure many of you have examples of when the AI just "cheats to win".

[Defiant Squirrel]

This game punishes stupidity with a cruel and cold efficiency that sadly we no longer see in our schools, which is part of the reason we still see threads like this.

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Red Squirrel eredeti hozzászólása:

This game punishes stupidity with a cruel and cold efficiency that sadly we no longer see in our schools, which is part of the reason we still see threads like this.

Hahaha,, you are cruel just like AI

[fourfourtwo79]

99% sure this will be another collection of screenshots showing how once in every blue moon the AI scores a goal off little shots (or wins matches despite having fewer shots).

Which is also the reason why the game may never see too tactically clever AI. Players would stop playing. The only reason at all the AI at all is capable of doing this is that, like a real manager, it doesn't care about shots. It cares about the goals. Approximately 0.00001% of FM's player base even tries to play defensive / counter attacking football, let alone changes things within the match if things aren't going to plan. I can just see Pep et all logging on to Whoscored, check the shot counts and conclude, yup, played some pretty good footie there...

At the current level, AI does this a) too ofently, so statistically matches will far too often be one sided affairs. You know, if teams play defensive football, they are more focused ond efending, as opposed to getting shots off. And b) in generic ways. It doesn't specifically plug the zone of the pitch it's attacked through. If it would.. https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/116071/Analysis_Game_AI__Our_Cheatin_Hearts.php.

[AoD_lexandro]

Agreed. Its imo confirmation bias. Having played 7 seasons in various leagues it always comes down to RNG. Not the AI cheating or using underhand systems. Its simple random chance, but people automatically block out all the positive RNG they get and only see the negative.

[Frodo]

Well, in FM19 I find that all out attack is by far the best defense.

[maxwell]

yeah, true. Playing a season right now and every single throw in leads to a goal against me.

[Blackfyre]

maxwell eredeti hozzászólása:

yeah, true. Playing a season right now and every single throw in leads to a goal against me.

Then stop man marking the strikers .

[Gards]

Why would you not man-mark strikers? With all the ingame editing available maybe the devs just made it hard to win ? I only play with balanced mentality. So my lot barely bother there arse attacking haha

[Blackfyre]

Because the shape of the defence will be wrong if you assign the centre backs to man mark the striker(s). If you have closing down and offside trap for example, you would be cut to pieces if you man marked as well.

[Gards]

Sorry guys I uninstalled it, just not having fun with Sunderland at all. I'll reinstall after a few months. When i've calmed down haha

[Neil Brock]

Just to clarify, the game doesn't distinguish between 'user' and 'AI' - the match is played out exactly the same for both.

[Z]

Neil Brock eredeti hozzászólása:

Just to clarify, the game doesn't distinguish between 'user' and 'AI' - the match is played out exactly the same for both.

Thanks cap

[lemming3k]

If you think the ME cheats, wait til you check out the transfers. Even if you add a manager to check their exact bid so you can 100% match it, and even add a couple million - your bid will be declined but theirs accepted. Players often turn down better contracts deals to go to worse AI teams as well.
Human player premium shows the AI can definitely identify the human outside the ME, like most games this is presumably because programming a challenging AI is notoriously difficult.
It would be interesting to know why the ME is different? Is the AI better in this area?

[Gards]

I watched some videos of other players on youtube recently. They suffered from the same sort of awful goals I, you lot do. How do you not rage at the screen? haha There are too many occassions where my CMs are standing right next to each other. I want space between them, they ignore this. What a pity! this is all past tense of course.

[fourfourtwo79]

Actually, despite it were possible, the AI isn't and will never be coded to seriously challenge the more tactical commited. If it were.. boy oh boy. This all weren't so funny if there wasn't evidence over every. single. FM. community showing plenty players who outperform the AI on every area of the game -- on extent to ludicruous degrees. Often times it is the same players who do such, complaining about "cheating" every time they drop the point. Sporting seasonal shot to goal conversions unheard of both from the game's AI in their team reports stats (AI averages roughly 10%) -- as well as real life football teams. E.g. season shot conversions between 20-25% consistently every season (every 4th to 5th attempt a goal), whereas City when dominating the Prem last term converted roughly 16% (every sixth). In other words, players make this stop being like competitive football. At all.

The AI still has an edge over virtually anybody who manages solely by shot counts and/or possession on a spreadsheet come the final whistle blown, as such stats at the end of a game virtually tell naught. Neither in-game, nor in football. And as long as that "cheating AI" suspicious exists, the devs won't ramp up the AI, as that suspicous would rise some seriously more, sigh. Every single time the AI does something the player is uncapable of, it's AI cheating, no question asked. Distracting from the game's plenty AI issues over and over again.
https://www.theringer.com/soccer/2018/6/27/17511596/2018-world-cup-germany-south-korea-mexico-sweden-elimination