WHY NO GOALS FROM CORNERS IN FM15, FM16, FM17, FM18, FM19?

[step34in]

I have been watching highlights or entire games of English Premiership, English Football League and Polish Ekstraklasa through cable/satellite TV and I took particular notice of the large amount of goals from corners. Heading after the corner is the most common and occurs in almost every football match sometimes even twice in one match. Apart from the penalty kick it is probably the easiest way to score the goal in football.
Why is that not happening in Football Manager game over the last several editions?
I have been writing about it for last few years and it has never changed. Only opposition teams are scoring goals from corners but definitely NOT YOUR TEAM. I have been trying all corner tactics possible, sometimes putting 6 tall players with good heading abilities and it is all big waste of time. Some players just hanging around 16m line not even attacking the ball despite ball is supposed to be going into 6 yard box... In the very beginning of the season I had only 1 header from the corner and later on, some clumsy kick goal after corner and that's it... No more for the rest of the season. Another season is the same and another is the same, and another edition is the same the same FM15, FM16, FM17, FM18, FM19... keep counting. 2 goals from corners per season is definitely not good enough.
You can put head into the sand and say "we think we got it right' or 'your players are not trained enough' but the truth is that this is MAJOR stuff up in Football Manager Game.
There are also no powerful headers from outside the 6 yard box, only weak, miserable ones.
Come on mates, please acknowledge that we need massive update on this one and just do it ASAP.

Regards

Karl
Sydney Australia

Korona manager
(ex Podbeskidzie and Tranmere Rovers manager)

[step34in]

No, that's not in default. I spend a long time for corner instructions. Best corner takers are picked, 2 cbs and tallest players with good heading abilities are always in the box. Despite that they are not very interested in following instructions where ball is directed to go. If instructions are 5 yard box they are hanging around 16 meter line, visa versa if they are around 5 yard box ball is dropping around penalty spot behind their backs. Instructions simply not working very well.
There are also no heading goals after indirect free kicks. Same thing unfortunately...
Unlike in previous FMs there are frequent direct free kick goals in FM19.
Previous FMs I wasn't doing any instructions, all corners were default. Extremely limited number of corner assists made me start using corner instructions, but that is not working very well either.

I think the problem is somewhere else to be honest. The problem is upstairs at FM game makers offices where they are designing the game. Clearly, heading is the weakest point of this game. Previous editions long shots were the weak point but they managed to eliminate that problem very well and now in FM19 we've got lots of accurate shots from distance. Well done!
Now it is time concentrate work on heading. I am not sure if they are able to update it in existing FM19 or it is going to happen in next editions. I have dilemma now should I buy new one or stick to this one. If there is not going to be any update on heading in FM19 sounds like I have to buy FM20 hoping that they progressed on that issue.

Regards
Karl
Sydney

[step34in]

Yes, just ignore the problems! That's the way to deal with the issues

[fourfourtwo79]

引用自 step34in：

No, that's not in default.

Then your best bet is changing to default, or reporting your corner routine and why it should work better than it is. Else they must have patched this, as prior if anything corner goals were on the far too high side (aforementioned far post weaknesses... etc). Even AI managed teams -- that was an average of about 8 corner goals per season. In other words, a corner goal on average every 5th match for any team, whilst the real worl averages are 1 in ca. 16.

https://content.invisioncic.com/Msigames/monthly_2018_11/1185380479_ScreenShot2018-11-15at13_51_30.thumb.jpg.dc10cb6565a171beaf94b25398b0fec4.jpg

Balancing this was tons easier if the game would limit all managers to picking sensible, tested strategies (AI included). This includes set piece strategies. There was a guy on here who conceded an average of like 4 goals per match in the EPL. This obviously isn't coded into the game. It's possible because as players we get to micro tweak ourselves into all kinds of ♥♥♥♥. In the specific case this is only possible with a setup that basically has no proper defense whatsoever. Which side in football does such? Which manager, given that the game simulates "realistic" management? The realism argument goes two ways, after all. Fir as long as the game easily allows this (and imo it shouldn't): Garbage in, garbage out.

The general argument still stands: Whatever your opponents can do, you can do better. On any release. Likewise, corner goals don't seem to be on the lowly end in itself. At worst your own corner setup isn'T as efficient as it -- realistically -- should be (which may well be).

[step34in]

引用自 Enfant Terrible：

引用自 step34in：

Yes, just ignore the problems! That's the way to deal with the issues

But it's not right to create fabulous problems when there is not a problem, as fabulous 442 guy said, percentage of goals from corners in real life compared with goals from corners in FM is very different, in FM this percentage is bigger even if you don't use fabulous exploits, simply because of player attributes and your corner taking fabulous setup, so try to setup your fabulous corner taking just as it is IRL instead of moaning and you'll be fabulousy satisfied.

If it is a fact that 1 corner assist in 50 matches didn't convince you yet nothing is going to convince you mate that it is some problem. 'No heading goals from indirect free kicks' is not going to convince you? Still no problem? Providing that I am getting 6-12 corners in a match please multiple it by 50.

[HUNT3R]

引用自 step34in：

引用自 Enfant Terrible：

But it's not right to create fabulous problems when there is not a problem, as fabulous 442 guy said, percentage of goals from corners in real life compared with goals from corners in FM is very different, in FM this percentage is bigger even if you don't use fabulous exploits, simply because of player attributes and your corner taking fabulous setup, so try to setup your fabulous corner taking just as it is IRL instead of moaning and you'll be fabulousy satisfied.

If it is a fact that 1 corner assist in 50 matches didn't convince you yet nothing is going to convince you mate that it is some problem. 'No heading goals from indirect free kicks' is not going to convince you? Still no problem? Providing that I am getting 6-12 corners in a match please multiple it by 50.

It depends. As was said, you're looking at one example. How are the other teams in your league doing for instance? In the next (or previous season) how do those stats look?

In my own save, I have 3 goals from corners in 24 matches so far. I've conceded 4.

We've scored 1 direct free kick and another from an indirect free kick. I've also conceded 1 goal from direct and 2 from indirect free kicks in 24 matches.

Edit: You also claim no goals from previous versions. I'm running a save in FM18 where I've scored 5 in the 38 matches from corners. I've scored 3 direct free kick goals and 7 IFK goals at the same time. The other teams are also not really struggling.

[fourfourtwo79]

Yeah, if the argument is that no corner goals were scored in any off the editions, then that falls flat. It wouldn't get listened to as a bug report, as it's obviously untrue. What may be is that his corner routine should be more sufficient than it is (possible header issue as well), but that's another matter. In general, the statement that their hadn't been any corner goals just doesn't stand. For as long as the game is set up the way it is, there will be always ways to a) resonably outerpform as well as b) reasonably underperform the AI. Arguably that gap is too wide...

Btw, as of the long shots, it seems the current consesus seems that they are actually overpowered, so expect them to be nerfed again in FM 20. :P (I've had a side scoring almost a ranged goal per game on FM15 already, mind... obviously a complete fantasy. However, one edited to have 20s in long shots and tactically forced to take the pot shot every time they approached the goal by having nobody actually running into the box). :D https://i.imgur.com/6QsuCmp.jpg

[step34in]

Guy above saying 5 corner goals in 38 matches, as you see not only me having that problem. 2 goals from indirect free kicks in 24 matches! Come on, this has to change! I bet you those 2 goals from indirect free kicks weren't headers.
Unless we are extremely politically correct and believe Alan Shearer's unproven study about heading is causing dementia and we want our kids to stop heading the ball. Otherwise those numbers have to change in FM20.
Football Manager lovers demanding reasonable amount of heading goals from corners, heading from outside 5 yard box also indirect free kick heading goals!
As usually during and after the weekend I am watching highlights of EPL, EFL, Scottish Premier, Bundesliga, Polish Ekstraklasa etc and you can't deny it, there is goal from corner or heading indirect free kick goal in ALMOST EVERY match.

[HUNT3R]

引用自 step34in：

Guy above saying 5 corner goals in 38 matches, as you see not only me having that problem. 2 goals from indirect free kicks in 24 matches! Come on, this has to change! I bet you those 2 goals from indirect free kicks weren't headers.
Unless we are extremely politically correct and believe Alan Shearer's unproven study about heading is causing dementia and we want our kids to stop heading the ball. Otherwise those numbers have to change in FM20.
Football Manager lovers demanding reasonable amount of heading goals from corners, heading from outside 5 yard box also indirect free kick heading goals!
As usually during and after the weekend I am watching highlights of EPL, EFL, Scottish Premier, Bundesliga, Polish Ekstraklasa etc and you can't deny it, there is goal from corner or heading indirect free kick goal in ALMOST EVERY match.

You said NO GOALS in any version in the title, which isn't the case at all. Hyperbole, so let's move on.

You then said YOU only scored 2 corner goals in a season. You also said the AI teams DON'T have the same issue.

So if the AI isn't struggling and it's only you - does that tell you something?

The 5 goals in 38 matches is with a Southampton team which does not have many players who are aerial beasts. For that reason, I'm not expecting to score a lot from them. Even so, I have more than double your tally.

In my FM19 save, I have 3 goals in 24. That's not great. I haven't fiddled with my corner setups though and really, I should be doing that. Looking at the stats, I see teams like Man City on 9 goals and Tottenham on 7, which is insane.


IRL, you're looking at anywhere between 2 and 10 corner goals per season. The average seems to be around 5-7.

In my season, after 24 matches, the average is 3.5, so after 38 matches, it should average about 5. That's ever so slightly on the low side, but not completely off. Keep in mind, this is a single season in a single league.

The ME will have been balanced based on many seasons and looking at all the leagues. While you may find it's slightly high or slightly low, it's not going to be completely out of whack.

[step34in]

Fabulous Terrible struck again! Does not allowing discussions and protests. 50-1 never convinced him.

[Shai-Hulud]

Why is your personal anecdotal evidence supposed to convince anybody the game needs to fundamentally change in this regard?

When multiple people have said they don't have this problem? And you even admit the AI in your own save doesn't have this problem?

Supremely arrogant, unwilling to look inwards.

[step34in]

50-1

[fourfourtwo79]

引用自 Stephen Chumber：

Why is your personal anecdotal evidence supposed to convince anybody the game needs to fundamentally change in this regard?

We have a winner. Speaking about anecdote:

9 in 3. https://strikerless.com/2018/11/05/corner-kicks-in-fm19/



Evidently then, the gap in performances is colossaly huge. All depending on tactics and players, PLAYERS average a corner goal per match long-term, which is afantasy and out of the range of any team in the history of the sport -- whilst other struggle. There should be a reasonable gap mind. The German national team had barely scored a set piece goal in years. . Meanwhile Pulis managed sides do such comparably regularly. Still it's no mistake that he doesn't see much support, as scoring a fantasy amount of set piece goals is just an FMBase ownload button away. So either his set piece set up is as bad as the guy's defense setup who would leal like 4 goals average per game https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/806619464069019002/77A67F501EF7F15B0EC9C561F6B932112AF76C32/ -- or he's uncovered a bug and his set up should be more sufficient than it is. However ignoring the input is the worst thing you could do, evidently. I'd argue both the guy above (9 goals in 3 matches) as well as his set up may need reporting. Given that there are teams who would score 0 goals from over well over 200 corners in 40 matches (Forest in the Championship 2017/2018 season as an example), scoring 1 in 50 seems not near as outrageous as the above mind. ;)

[HUNT3R]

引用自 step34in：

50-1

You're overly focused that number. There may be a case that number of goals per corner is on the low side, but we're getting more corners compared to real life, so you can understand why, if that's the case. Either way, corner goals per match or over the course of a season should be fairly accurate compared to real life.

[step34in]

No worries, I am continuing to play. Changed corner instructions accordingly to your advise guys:
Cbs near posts (both 192cm & 195cm tall, good heading, jumping reach & strength). Another 3 tall players, good heading around 5 yard box, another player attacking from outside the box. Crossing near or far post or eventually 5 yard box sometimes.
I will report here every 2 weeks how many corner assist head goals I will have. FM support can double check through cloud to confirm if it's true. I do not really believe it is going to work because I have been playing this game for few years and it was always problem in this department. However let's try good bye!

[fourfourtwo79]

引用自 step34in：

I do not really believe it is going to work because I have been playing this game for few years and it was always problem in this department.

It it's always been like that then it might be an issue with your customized corner routines. This couldn't ever get fixed if there is one if you wouldn't report it somewhere.

After all, you've found that the AI scores corner goals. That was your argument: Opponents would score, players never. However, the AI would then obviously use different routines. The question then is not: WHy are there generally no corner goals, that's obviously not true as you found yourself. But rather "Why does my custom corner tactic" result in barely any corner goals? (And is it just?) Completely different question that may warrant completely different answers.