Anti-Dong Zhuo Coalition

[Theruss]

What an awful coalition. All the members in the north and east do absolutely nothing while Cao Cao and Yuan Shu get eaten by Dong Zhuo and his 100,000 troops.

This is bothersome as the odds of Cao Cao AI surviving is slim, and he is required to be an active force for the burning of Luoyang and the coalition dissolving earlier event.

Otherwise, the coalition goes on longer and all the members constantly ally each other and wait for Dong Zhuo to eat them.

The coalition leader should be able to march out his and member troops at the coalition target. Perhaps similar to the campaign function? Dunno how Sun Jian is gonna be able to march through Liu Biao though...

This scenario needs to be tweaked though, right now it is disappointing.

[Vin362]

I agree the number of troops Dong Zhuo starts with needs to be lowered, one thing I did find is you just need to lower Hulao gate's hit points by 2,000 to trigger move the capital to Changan. That being said Wang Yun will go and defect to another force so you cannot trigger the triangle plot.

I did prefer how in ROTK13 the coalition did advance on Dong Zhuo even if their attacks ended in failure.

[firedevlin]

Agreed. I play this one a ton, and very, very rarely do you get the move the capital event, and Wang Yun is usually recruited by someone else and you miss the Lu Bu event with Diao Chan. Needs tweaking bad. I love the events and the setup, just when you pick historical the factions need to play that way. Yellow Turbans is terrible also for going anti-historical.

[Venemar]

Originally posted by Vin362:

one thing I did find is you just need to lower Hulao gate's hit points by 2,000 to trigger move the capital to Changan.

I have been getting my ass handed to me, and tried this.. I got Hulao gate down to 4000/8000 before he wiped me out and marched on Chenliu.

I've got over 1000 hours on rtk13, but this version is pissing me off. Any other advice for surviving as Cao Cao? I can't seem to grow my troops nearly as fast any other AI ruler.

[Vin362]

Depending on the difficulty will decide how long you have till Dong Zhuo attacks you or Yuan Shu. What I did was invested in barracks and commerce, sent a unit to capture Xuchang then I started building archer towers around Chenliu once I had about 30,000 troops I attacked Hulao gate and got lucky enough to trigger move the capital to Changan the problem is with Wang Yun defecting the triangle plot cannot trigger and even if it did happen Dong Zhuo starts with too many troops that he will probably wipe out Ma Teng and Liu Yan before I can take over the central plains which I am currently working on.

[gerlonggaul]

This is a nightmare scenario to play as Cao Cao mostly due to dumb Coalition AI. Hence I play as Liu Bei, quickly amass the necessary number and march out troops whenever Lu Bu marched out to Chenliu. At least to cut his supply route either near Guandu and/or Suanzhao. After the supply route been cut off, number of troops is no longer important.

Manage to get Move to Changan all the way until Lu Bu betrays DZ

[Theruss]

Yeah, what you did as Liu Bei is what the AI coalition members should be doing. Right now coalitions in this game is just a non-aggressive pact for members. They don't actually help one another, nor do they go after the coalition target unless they are right next to the target.

Sun Jian was a big part of the coalition and one of the most successful members, yet he can't do anything in the scenario.

[gravewalker1799]

Funny this happening to me in ROTK13 and I remember the ai actually attacking and to see now that acting like the ROTK14 ai means they did a update that bugged the ai. I remember when originally playing Dong Zhuo it was next to impossible to win and now it just a free win because the ai does nothing. Not even the pervious game is safe from the devs going back and ruining the coalition scenario because it wasn't until 2021 they update the game on console. Now it super alt history same with the Yellow Turban rebellion scenario in less you personally ally with every one that did and attack them yourself as Liu Bei or Sun Jian. Also if you don't beat original attack Sun Ce never owns his own faction.

[gravewalker1799]

Also as a complaint even if the warlords event happens Sun Ce is stuck in the Yuan Shu faction if his father dies in the alt history Anti-Dong Zhuo coalition event even though the cutscene shows him taking over the faction. So playing Sun Ce in the scenario is also broken because it impossible to make over there without having done the Yellow Turban rebellion and trying to get your your self as close as possible to Dong Zhuo. But sometimes it completely resets every thing in less you faction was already there meaning if were the han empire most of your faction super strong for Dong Zhuo.

[gravewalker1799]

Funny enough the only thing that more historical than the real coalition scenario is the fictional scenario where Dong Zhuo actually not dead but pretended his death. Then the ai actually attacks him and it super hard to win as him.

[Vin362]

Originally posted by gravewalker1799:

Funny enough the only thing that more historical than the real coalition scenario is the fictional scenario where Dong Zhuo actually not dead but pretended his death. Then the ai actually attacks him and it super hard to win as him.

That's the fictional map where he moves down to Yi province in addition to getting Xi Liang right?

[gravewalker1799]

Originally posted by Vin362:

Originally posted by gravewalker1799:

Funny enough the only thing that more historical than the real coalition scenario is the fictional scenario where Dong Zhuo actually not dead but pretended his death. Then the ai actually attacks him and it super hard to win as him.

That's the fictional map where he moves down to Yi province in addition to get Xi Liang right?

That the one.

[gravewalker1799]

If you have a ps5 or ps4 I could show you, that the ai is acting the same. My Playstation name Mikey1799. I have 600 hours in ROTK13 I been play it on and off since 2020 when it originally was on psnow.

[Ricochet]

Originally posted by Vin362:

I agree the number of troops Dong Zhuo starts with needs to be lowered, one thing I did find is you just need to lower Hulao gate's hit points by 2,000 to trigger move the capital to Changan. That being said Wang Yun will go and defect to another force so you cannot trigger the triangle plot.

I did prefer how in ROTK13 the coalition did advance on Dong Zhuo even if their attacks ended in failure.

I still miss X's take. After Dong Zhuo retreated to Chang An, you are given an option to join Cao Cao to pursue him. Fun game. I miss the choices and interaction. I hope KOEI localize X but I doubt it since it's them.