Officer Loyalty and Compatibility

[firedevlin]

I have stopped playing until the officer loyalty gets fixed. Its game breaking for me. If they are focusing on the unseen compatibility trait, then you shouldn't be able to get those generals who are not compatible over 80.

What say you?

[XYZEXPIRED]

So you mean you can recruit a nemesis from another force to your force?
Did you able to recruit let said Xiahou Dun from Cao Cao when you playing as Sun Jian or Liu Bei. Or you slain Xiahou Yuan, and able to recruit Xiahou Dun? Unless you mean a different thing?

[Virsia]

never find this issue myself, officer above 94 loyalty hard to be poached unless ai work to gether like one estrange another recruit that officer

[Virsia]

only one character have chance poaching character above 94 loyalty which is zhuge liang

[Ʋєяєтняαgηα]

Bruh min loyalty is 100. It has always been this case in all ROTK games. 95 is already low. 80 is STUPIDLY low so don't expect them to be loyal. Compatibility only affects how easy it is to raise the officer loyalty and how often it drops.

[firedevlin]

Ok, I have rethought this. As a player since ROTK II on the SNES,, it was shocking to have anyone poached in the upper 90s. But YES, if you reward them every time it drops, you keep them. SO, just new.....but not broken.

[Saeko]

There is issue for sure !

I started a second game as Dong zhuo, have Estrange Lu Bu down to 40 loyality, and with all my 120 officier i'm unable to hire him, even with mulit officier with high charisma, intelligence, politic and connection to him or sight skill.......

I wonder if some officier have a lock on them because of historic event.

i remember rottk3 where him would betray you with 100 loyality :p and mostly easy on every game too !

[Virsia]

Ding Yuan is Lu Bu father no character betray their father except you trigger an Event, that's vanilla game works, in this game even with low loyalty child will not abandon their parents, there is missing link on the event if you play in yellow turban as Dong Zhuo to get Lu Bu

[Saeko]

Originally posted by Virsia:

Ding Yuan is Lu Bu father no character betray their father except you trigger an Event, that's vanilla game works, in this game even with low loyalty child will not abandon their parents, there is missing link on the event if you play in yellow turban as Dong Zhuo to get Lu Bu

Well him betray this father in event so...meaning him can betray that father lol... what wrong is something bypass gameplay mecanic without a warning, they could put lu bu with 100 loyality alway or a tools tips.... actually that just feels wrong !

[Virsia]

yes he can but not in usual way like common recruiting mechanics, in the previous installment Dong Zhuo have incentive for Lu Bu to betray his father by giving him *** **** and Then he will do the same with Dong Zhuo because Wang Yun **** ****.
then again this game ain't finished yet crucial mechanics learning from KOEI past history so far will be implemented in PUK later until the base game stabilized which is like 6 month to 1 year, PUK always come in english if base Game already support english.

Like before in ROTK 13,12, or any intallment the crucial mechanic of Role Play system, ability creation, event creation, scenario editor, custom picture editor, item creation, game editor, etc is in PUK.

while this is personally for me very annoying because of waiting game for the most part at least they do deliver and pretty satisfying final product, KOEI have many project going on right now maybe they run out of money and decide to early release this one which is horribly undeveloped shallow game, if you play previous installment this one probably the worse release than any previous ROTK, sure the graphics seems nice compared to any ROTK so far but the game itself very lacking.

[Saeko]

I played all rotk since the 3 ^^ and most nobunaga in who have see light in english, sadly now i prefere paradox games, koei games alway feels half finished when comming out its true ! and better graphic is a issue for me with my potatoe PC lol i run the game at 15fps :D will upgrade when puk comming and stop playing probably soon !

Anyway rotk 15 will be without me for first time if its half games like this one !

[Virsia]

well true probably it is better when playing with PUK like this it left me with mixed feeling, paradox is good more or less their finished product is the same about KOEI, interesting with lots of mechanic some even goes in depth, but I hate that their DLC fest developer, their game such stellaris or CRUSADER KING it took like 300$+ for full game. to be honest they are the same, it is developer meta nowadays to release game half baked and upgrade with dlc, however Crusader Kings 3 also will consume a lot of hardware requirement for graphics they have animated avatar, high resolution map than CK 2, however such may come with less mechanics less in depth than CK 2, I won't be betting on them to get full game right off the bat, considering their track record.

while stellaris may seems to be successful it is attract less people due to complexity and things like crusader kings may turn newbie down because they always lose their game have very steep learning curve then again it is all bout making profit, gaming for developer is not about passion, while there is game developer that have such passion out there they mostly indie game the rest is about money, maybe not direct game developer but their boss rarely even care other than profit.

[Saeko]

Just want to add, could not recruit lu bu at 32 loyality, but with more Estrange him gone free officier ! so him can still somewhat leave this father :p

About paradox games, i agree, DLC policies is bad if you not get the game from the start. but for me who have buy CK2 days 1, and then have buy every DLC with 2 DLC delay so alway discount that make 1 DLC every 3+ month kinda good because new gameplay comming in the games and refresh the gameplay and add new achievement ! a ex of that, rottk 13 i played 30 hours only without achievement. and crusader kings over 2000 hours. rotk14 i'm already at 90 hours.

My wife and a friend got Ck2 free and have half DLC already because many free DLC time, we can agree since they annouced CK3, their policy about ck2 was very good !

And i somewhat disagree about passion/profit, the boss and actionnaire think only money, but i think there is many passion in the devs in many company ! and about indie, its hard to have complex + beautifull games, i cannot play anymore pixel or bad graphic anymore or casual strategy games become more hard to play aswell !

[Virsia]

comparing rotk 13 which worth less than 1/3 of ck2 full game price, is like comparing heaven and earth, for full game rotk is somewhat decent and interesting while ck2 some of their dlc supposedly in the base game, like how can you have crusade against muslim if you cannot use muslim ruler by buying sword of islam, for pagan ruler you need old gods dlc, it is dlc upon dlc upon dlc, while rotk only have 1 puk the rest is just additional scenario to play with.

you can say it is 90$ versus 350$++ ROTK vs CK2, CK 3 will be better graphics, animated avatar and other eyecandy but I bet my money it will be less in term of interaction than CK 2, game today tend to become simpler and simpler. CK 2 need years and paradox did squeeze every last penny out of it, in reality it is more or less the same both came out partially finished one will try to get you buy more dlc. beside CK 2 is a big game almost entire world from europe to India it even have chinese interaction while ROTK specifically chinese.

[Saeko]

Well when ck2 was out, you only play a kings who make crusade like in ck1, not lie or nothing tell you could play other religion, not what i call a false advertising.

devs have to get the game out a days or a other and can call that complet, or you could put more thing for 50 years, see mario you could add more more and more level with different design so no mario games is ever finish ?

its just you expecting more or less depend on the players buying the game, so rotk 13 is 30% of the full price of ck2, you right, i still get more for my money rotk + puk = 30h /price = 1$ per hours, ck2 2000/price 0.09$ per hours, so worth 10time more to me, its just a different perspectives from different players.

Anyway back to topics :


Lu Bu have join the yellow turban Zhang jiao down to 43 loyauty and nobody can recruit him again, so the father story not tell everthing and probably just bad hard coded him cannot betray with employ.....

[Saeko]

I destroyed Zhang jiao faction, and lu bu still not want to join me, this a complete joke !