pay to win?

[jx]

can anyone confirm?

[Zoopy]

Originally posted by CDiddy:

First purchase, sure. First few wipes, maybe. But they've long since taken away the EOD gear after wipes. Aside from the gamma pouch, that's all you get for past EOD purchase.

Eh, no it's not. This is what you get with EOD:

Secure container Gamma (3x3 cells)
PACA soft armor (3 pcs.)
9x19mm Pst gzh (500 pcs.)
Zarya stun grenade (4 pcs.)
Can of beef stew (6 pcs.)
Water bottle 0.6 l. (4 pcs.)
AI-2 kit (5 pcs.)
Aseptic bandage (4 pcs.)
Analgin painkillers (4 pcs.)
Immobilizing splint (4 pcs.)
Esmarch tourniquet (4 pcs.)
Car first-aid kit (2 pcs.)
Vaseline
Expeditionary fuel tank
Mossberg 590A1 12ga shotgun
12/70 7mm Buckshot (60 pcs.)
CMS Surgical kit
Salewa first aid kit
Augmentin antibiotic pills (2 pcs.)
Army bandage (3 pcs.)
Ripstop fabric (2 pcs.)
Fleece fabric (2 pcs.)
Peltor ComTac 2 headset (2 pcs.)
Aluminum splint (3 pcs.)
Morphine injector (2 pcs.)
Metal fuel tank
Kiba Arms Tactical Tomahawk
Haley Strategic D3CRX chest rig
Oakley Mechanism heavy duty backpack (Black)
Cold Fear infrared balaclava (2 pcs.)
CALOK-B hemostatic applicator (2 pcs.)
Propital (2 pcs.)
Grizzly first-aid kit
IFAK (3 pcs.)
500 000 roubles
1000 dollars
500 euro

Depending on chosen faction (USEC / BEAR):

Knife (ER Fulcrum Bayonet) or Knife (6h5 Bayonet)
Blackhawk! Commando Chest Harness Black (3 pcs.) or Triton M43-A chest harness (3 pcs.)
LBT-8005A Day Pack backpack (3 pcs.) or Wartech Eagle VV-102 backpack (3 pcs.)
USEC cap (3 pcs.) or BEAR baseball cap (Black) (3 pcs.)
Walker's Razor Digital headset (2 pcs.) or GSSh-01 active headphones (3 pcs.)
HK MP5 (2 pcs.) or PP-19-01 "Vityaz-SN" 9x19 submachine gun (2 pcs.)
20-round 9x19 MP5 magazine (8 pcs.) or 30-round 9x19 PP-19-01 magazine (6 pcs.)
M9A3 9x19 pistol (3 pcs.) or MP-443 "Grach" 9x19 pistol (3 pcs.)
17-round 9x19 M9A3 magazine (9 pcs.) or 18-round 9x19 MP-443 magazine (9 pcs.)
Colt M4A1 5.56x45 assault rifle (2 pcs.) or AK-74M 5.45x39 assault rifle (2 pcs.)
30-round 5.56x45 Colt AR-15 STANAG magazine (11 pcs.) or 30-round 5.45x39 6L23 magazine for AK-74 and compatibles (11 pcs.)
M67 Grenade (5 pcs.) or F-1 grenade (6 pcs.)
5.56x45mm M855 (300 pcs.) or 5.45x39mm PS gs cartridges (240 pcs.) + 5.45x39mm BP gs cartridges (90 pcs.)
MRE (4 pcs.) or Iskra MRE (4 pcs.)
Bottle of Dan Jackiel Whiskey or Bottle of Tarkovskaya vodka
Remington Model 700 Sniper rifle or SV-98 bolt-action sniper rifle
30mm ring-mount Remington integral for model 700 rifles or KMZ 1P69 Weaver mount
March Tactical 3-24x42 FFP optical scope or KMZ 1P69 3-10x rifle scope
M700 7.62x51 magazine for 10 rounds (4 pcs.) or 10-round 7.62x54R polymer SV-98 magazine (4 pcs.)
7.62x51mm M80 cartridge (40 pcs.) or 7.62x54R LPS GZh cartridge (40 pcs.)
Highcom Trooper TFO armor (Multicam) or 6B13 assault armor (Flora pattern)
UNTAR helmet (2 pcs.) or 6B47 Ratnik-BSh helmet with cover
DT MDR 5.56x45 assault rifle or RPK-16 5.45x39 light machine gun
Eotech 553 holographic sight or Valday 1P87 holographic sight
Crye Precision AVS plate carrier or ANA Tactical M1 armored rig
MSA ACH TC-2002 MICH Series helmet or LZSh light helmet
Tactical glasses TGlass (2 pcs.) or Tactical glasses TGlass
Peltor Tactical Sport headset
RGD-5 grenade (3 pcs.)

https://www.escapefromtarkov.com/preorder-page

No idea where you got the information that you only get a gamma pouch now.

[Robbo]

the amount of copium here is unreal, also I love the one guy who said "convenience" lmao. The entire p2w meta came from "convenience" upgrades in mobile games.

[jmido8]

No, but it's skirting close to the line. It does give you an advantage early in the game when you have some blue/purple gear and other players are still on white/green, but none of the gear is better than the later stuff you can get. Eventually people will catch up to you and at that point the starter packs you bought mean nothing.

[Robbo]

Originally posted by jmido8:

It does give you an advantage early in the game ...

Then it's p2w lmao

[jmido8]

Originally posted by Robbo:

Originally posted by jmido8:

It does give you an advantage early in the game ...

Then it's p2w lmao

Sure, so when you play against someone in farmed legendary gear vs your "P2W" blue/purple gear, who will win? lol

[Robbo]

Originally posted by jmido8:

Originally posted by Robbo:

Then it's p2w lmao

Sure, so when you play against someone in farmed legendary gear vs your "P2W" blue/purple gear, who will win? lol

Yo remember that time you admitted that it's p2w.

[jmido8]

Originally posted by Robbo:

Originally posted by jmido8:

Sure, so when you play against someone in farmed legendary gear vs your "P2W" blue/purple gear, who will win? lol

Yo remember that time you admitted that it's p2w.

And remember that time you didn't know what p2w meant? lol

[Robbo]

Originally posted by jmido8:

Originally posted by Robbo:

Yo remember that time you admitted that it's p2w.

And remember that time you didn't know what p2w meant? lol

Awww you mean like literally every mobile game where you pay to get an advantage? Where p2w started? Interesting. Do you think p2w means you pay and then it puts the text "you win" on the screen and everyone drops dead?

[Zoopy]

Originally posted by jmido8:

Sure, so when you play against someone in farmed legendary gear vs your "P2W" blue/purple gear, who will win? lol

Seems a bit of a weird way to frame it.

Who do you think has a better shot at getting farmed legendary gear faster, the person in white gear or the person who starts with blue/purple gear?

That there is an advantage to buying the starting packs is without question. That's the main reason they're selling them in the first place. The only argument left is how significant that advantage is.

[jmido8]

Originally posted by Robbo:

Originally posted by jmido8:

And remember that time you didn't know what p2w meant? lol

Awww you mean like literally every mobile game where you pay to get an advantage? Where p2w started? Interesting. Do you think p2w means you pay and then it puts the text "you win" on the screen and everyone drops dead?

P2W is when you pay for stronger gear than what non-playing players can get. Pay to win would be when you can pay for a tier of gun or armor that's higher than what's available. This isn't a mmo, you can't gate-keep players from farming better gear than you or farming the same exact gear you have. There is matchmaking and you won't just be slaughtering every player that is f2p.

[Robbo]

Originally posted by jmido8:

Originally posted by Robbo:

Awww you mean like literally every mobile game where you pay to get an advantage? Where p2w started? Interesting. Do you think p2w means you pay and then it puts the text "you win" on the screen and everyone drops dead?

P2W is when you pay for stronger gear than what non-playing players can get. Pay to win would be when you can pay for a tier of gun or armor that's higher than what's available. This isn't a mmo, you can't gate-keep players from farming better gear than you or farming the same exact gear you have. There is matchmaking and you won't just be slaughtering every player that is f2p.

No it's not. It's pay to get an advantage. Under your logic battlefront 2 was never p2w and neither is diablo immortal.

[Riggs]

Originally posted by Zoopy:

I saw this in a review:

But there's more, of course. Being an "extraction shooter", if you die, you lose what you're carrying... can't go back and get it. Unless, haha, you spend in-game currency, which equates to real world money unless you want to grind like a maniac, to keep your loot when you die.

Can anyone actually confirm if you can pay real money to keep your loot if you die or is the reviewer just talking nonsense?

Nonsense, you only keep your gear if it doesn't get extracted by someone else, which is almost never.

[Riggs]

Originally posted by Robbo:

Originally posted by jmido8:

P2W is when you pay for stronger gear than what non-playing players can get. Pay to win would be when you can pay for a tier of gun or armor that's higher than what's available. This isn't a mmo, you can't gate-keep players from farming better gear than you or farming the same exact gear you have. There is matchmaking and you won't just be slaughtering every player that is f2p.

No it's not. It's pay to get an advantage. Under your logic battlefront 2 was never p2w and neither is diablo immortal.

Explain the advantage.

You start with better gear, but do you know how to use it yet?

I've paid nothing, and day one killed someone in my first game carrying gear they'd clearly paid money to have at that stage, which I proceeded to take. Where was his advantage?

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Riggs:

Originally posted by Robbo:

No it's not. It's pay to get an advantage. Under your logic battlefront 2 was never p2w and neither is diablo immortal.

Explain the advantage.

You start with better gear, but do you know how to use it yet?

Hahahahaha

[Zoopy]

Originally posted by Riggs:

Originally posted by Robbo:

No it's not. It's pay to get an advantage. Under your logic battlefront 2 was never p2w and neither is diablo immortal.

Explain the advantage.

You start with better gear, but do you know how to use it yet?

I've paid nothing, and day one killed someone in my first game carrying gear they'd clearly paid money to have at that stage, which I proceeded to take. Where was his advantage?

Imagine 2 people with the exact same skill level, one with white gear and one with purple gear.

Which one do you think is statistically more likely to win a fight?

If rarer gear wasn't better and didn't give you any kind of advantage, we wouldn't have rarer gear and they wouldn't sell them in welcome packs. The entire point of welcome packs is to buy them for better gear.