6 fret support?

[Cpt Slow]

So after reading steam page about this game and seeing that almost every type of controller will be supported i was quite suprised that there was no mention of 6 fret support (GHL guitar) which would sadly be a dealbreaker for me as i enjoy it much more than the classic GH/RB 5 fret guitar.

Other than that the game looks great ;)

[Formedras]

It seems unlikely that 6-fret support will be available at Steam Early Access launch, though DWSK is looking into supporting it. The big problem, drastically limiting the appeal of the feature, is the difficulty of OS support for the controllers.
At this time, the only way to get Guitar Hero Live controllers to function is to use an Xbox 360 (NOT Xbox One) dongle, and go into Device Manager to force Windows to use the standard Xbox 360 Controller driver. It's a lot more work than is reasonable for the feature, at least in terms of a commercial project. (Perhaps it would have made more sense while Phase Shift was a purely non-commercial thing.)

On top of the controller issues, the fact is that 5-Fret and 6-Fret charts are basically incompatible, and there are substantially fewer 6-Fret charts available, both regarding community tracks and Activision's, and the community has still not fully ported GHTV's charts to CHART or MIDI files. I can't tell regarding the Live charts.

If the demand is high enough, and maybe if the Clone Hero community figures out how to support non-360 dongles, it'll happen eventually.


--Personal opinion regarding GHL: Activision finally had the perfect chance to make cover songs a GOOD thing with Live mode; they could have put in performances by the in-game bands. But they blew it and used original masters.

[Cpt Slow]

Originally posted by Formedras:

It seems unlikely that 6-fret support will be available at Steam Early Access launch, though DWSK is looking into supporting it. The big problem, drastically limiting the appeal of the feature, is the difficulty of OS support for the controllers.
At this time, the only way to get Guitar Hero Live controllers to function is to use an Xbox 360 (NOT Xbox One) dongle, and go into Device Manager to force Windows to use the standard Xbox 360 Controller driver. It's a lot more work than is reasonable for the feature, at least in terms of a commercial project. (Perhaps it would have made more sense while Phase Shift was a purely non-commercial thing.)

On top of the controller issues, the fact is that 5-Fret and 6-Fret charts are basically incompatible, and there are substantially fewer 6-Fret charts available, both regarding community tracks and Activision's, and the community has still not fully ported GHTV's charts to CHART or MIDI files. I can't tell regarding the Live charts.

If the demand is high enough, and maybe if the Clone Hero community figures out how to support non-360 dongles, it'll happen eventually.


--Personal opinion regarding GHL: Activision finally had the perfect chance to make cover songs a GOOD thing with Live mode; they could have put in performances by the in-game bands. But they blew it and used original masters.

Well althou i mostly agree and i's true that there isn't as much people playing 6 fret. I don't think that controller compatibility is a big issue since you still need to go out of your way to buy/get guitar compatible with PC withou imput lag and since GHL was dissaster there is tuns of GHL guitar for low prices (lower than xplorers etc.).

Also chart compatibility isn't that big of a issue from my experience as i played a lot of 5 fret charts with GHL guitar and i only had one chart that was well not working really well. Also there has been push on GHL/CHL discord to rechart/port as much as possible from GHTV.

But yeah i won't probably happen in EA but hey even if we don't get official support i wouldn't be suprised if comunity implemented it :D

[Deus Deceptor]

Talking about GHL charts - there is GHL pack for CH (base game charts probably).
Also since theres way to convert RB-drums charts (4 lane) to GH-drums (5 lane) and backwards, devs may add feature to convert 5-fret to 6-fret charts (at least CH has that feature).

*Somewhere deep inside I hopefully imagine developers of GHL get money of Phase Shift/Clone Hero players buying GHL controllers and soon they start making new GH game lol*

[Cpt Slow]

Originally posted by Deus Deceptor:

*Somewhere deep inside I hopefully imagine developers of GHL get money of Phase Shift/Clone Hero players buying GHL controllers and soon they start making new GH game lol*

To kill GH franchise for the third time? LoL

[Formedras]

Originally posted by Deus Deceptor:

Talking about GHL charts - there is GHL pack for CH (base game charts probably).
Also since theres way to convert RB-drums charts (4 lane) to GH-drums (5 lane) and backwards, devs may add feature to convert 5-fret to 6-fret charts (at least CH has that feature).

*Somewhere deep inside I hopefully imagine developers of GHL get money of Phase Shift/Clone Hero players buying GHL controllers and soon they start making new GH game lol*

1.) 5to6 guitar conversion seems like a bad idea, considering that the charts are designed using different philosophies, as does 6to5 for the same reason. The big reason why 4to5 and 5to4 drum conversion works well is because it's not design philosophy based.
Honestly, I'd be surprised if it was even actually 4to5/5to4, but rather 7to5/7to4: EVERY Rock Band song (and I'd be very surprised if it wasn't also true for Guitar Hero 4+) is charted for Pro Drums, and downmixed to four, for the sake of animations.

2.) Activision making a new GH game anytime soon? No thanks. No. Do not want. They'll screw it up like they did the GH5 series and GHL. (No opinion on GH6, due to insufficient knowledge.)
What I want is enough support for Harmonix to port Rock Band 4+Rivals to Xbox Live Anywhere. Seriously, that would be good. And the labels wouldn't have to worry about piracy so much: that's basically not a thing with Microsoft Store. The Xbox One is the ONLY console to not have piracy, and MSStore has so far been virtually piracy-proof too.
Even better regarding the potential for RB4/Win10: Harmonix could support wired RB1 controllers. I still don't have any RB2+ controllers...


EDIT for explanation: The reason I use the notation "#to#" for lane conversions is because of the Python utilities 2to3 and 3to2, which converts source code to and from Python 2 and Python 3. (2to3 is a lot more likely to work than 3to2, due to the nature of various breaking changes in Python 3.)

[Deus Deceptor]

Talking about 5to6 fret guitar mode, even if it seems like bad idea, implanation is rather good (played 5 hours overall in that mode).

[Arientar]

5 to 6 conversion work okay in clone hero. Also 6 to 5 conversion shouldn't be that bad.
For me 6 fret guitar support also is a killer feature

[sdasda7777]

@Arientar Yeah, totally. I actually hope the 6-fret will become actual instrument, because being able to play together with 5 and 6 fret would be amazing.
Also, multiple keyboard support and harmonies support would make this a party no-brainer.

[CCRR]

In CloneHero there is no 5to6 "conversion", it's still 5fret chart, just highway is displayed in 6fret mode and 6th button is unused. However I like both 5 and 6 fret guitars and I play on both of them. It's true that 5 and 6 fret charts have different filosophy, but 5 fret charts on 6fret guitar are very playable, somtime even better than 6fret charts. Ofcourse there are exceptions, nearly impossible patterns can show up in some songs, but that can be detected and corrected very easily.

When comes to GHL guitar compatibility, it's not devs that should worry but users, devs can just give them simple explantation that only x360 dongle works (and not always, I have to use xpadder because CH did not strum), they can give them simple tutorial or tips for that, and if user really want to play then will use it's own brain and google to resolve problems.

Well... For now I can only wait for PhaseShift apear on Steam and then buy it to support devs, I hope I will not wait forever for 6fret support. This is only reason that prevents me from playing PhaseShift (I moved to CH because of that), for now I will stick with Clone Hero.

P.S. And there is already whole GHL ripped, almost all songs with all difficultes and background videos are available for download for CloneHero in both 5/6fret versions on "GHL/CHL" discord server. :)

[sdasda7777]

Well, that is cool, but I think it would be cooler if 6 fret guitar would be just another instrument. Playing head to head with somebody with literaly different guitar type would be awesome.

[CCRR]

Originally posted by sdasda7777 CZ:

Well, that is cool, but I think it would be cooler if 6 fret guitar would be just another instrument.

The 6fret guitar is a entirely different "instrument", also have diffrent charts.
Personally i think they should just create better controller, 5 to 6 fret is to small improvement and layout change scares lot of people. They should go for 10fret guitar, two rows with 5 frets each... that would be awesome and it would be possible to play 5fret songs. :D

[sdasda7777]

Yeah, I was thinking about making myself 10 fret guitar, but it was just weird idea I never realized.

[vandorb12]

Originally posted by sdasda7777 CZ:

Yeah, I was thinking about making myself 10 fret guitar, but it was just weird idea I never realized.

Just go get a Rock Band Pro guitar. You'll get 7 times more than the 10 fret guitar you're thinking about.
And Phase Shift supports Pro instruments.

[CCRR]

Originally posted by vandorb12:

Just go get a Rock Band Pro guitar. You'll get 7 times more than the 10 fret guitar you're thinking about.

RB Pro Guitar seems just like modified electric guitar, and it's not the same game anymore. If anybody want's to learn real guitar then Rocksmith would be better choice, small highway in Phase Shift would make it much harder to learn.
10fret guitar would be great because it would be universal, it would work with classic mode (5fret) and GHL mode (6fret), and also naturally 10fret mode would be created later to make 100% use of new controller. Win-Win with a bonus.

[Sean]

Just adding my +1 for 6fret support in any form. Be it just a layout change using 5fret tracks.