Araonian Provisional Capital

[Phantom]

The only thing I've seen related to this is

a. They fled the phage
b. Commander with coordinates died to a progenator mine
b.i. Mines IIRC are only located at 1.30 -23.30 and -1.70 4.80
b.ii. progenator ships are only located at -1.70 4.80 and 40.0 -27.5

Searched the areas with mines didn't get anything, searched by the ships didn't get anything

Randomly searching the void now... can someone point me to the clue?

The only ! planet left (aside from the shop) is the flak planet, but 10+ visits later they still shoot at me, tried shields and other buffs to the research path and they don't make a difference)

[rollinshultz]

Thanks, I don't mind JSON at all. It is easily searchable in Notepad++ with (ctrl + F).

[Izzy]

Here is a map of the known galaxy as of this patch 10.3
https://pasteboard.co/I0anWJe.png

[Izzy]

In the very bottem system (Way in the boonies) on the left side is the bird capital planet (far west planet). The provisional world is not landable until you visit the "nest". The code to the quiz is Golden Jasper, Dying Cathedril, Crimson Priestess, Silver Sword. After you visit the next make sure you go to the provisional world (its the far left system just 1 jump off the south west gate (north west of the gate system).

The northern sectors have the "plague" guys, and east is the robot dudes.

[SaintD]

Yeah the Nest Whirlpool 'puzzle' sucks bum. Sorry. This just isn't the 80's and early 90's anymore, trying to get people to break out the graph paper (which no-one even knows exists anymore) to solve a puzzle is.....not reasonable. Even sticking some tools on the in-game map isn't really that great because it's only one puzzle. If the puzzle was a natural extension of stuff we were already doing in the game then, sure, fine, but it isn't. At least the surveyor map is an actual map fragment you can engage with and compare to your own explorations.

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks about it (because I'm sure someone will be happy to soapbox about it), it's a fact that the gaming culture just doesn't expect stuff like this anymore. It's not normal. So you can't just drop it in and wonder why no-one realises what they have to do. It looks like lore fluff like you get all over the place in every game, and even if you realise you actually have to do something with all those numbers, no-one born from 1995 onwards has any cultural knowledge whatsoever, let alone personal experience, of how to engage with it and create a solution.

...well, it's 2019, they WILL create a solution. They'll go online and find the answer. That's the modern solution, and no, sorry old people, it's a completely valid solution, like reading a book for an answer but way quicker.

[rollinshultz]

Originally posted by SaintD:

Yeah the Nest Whirlpool 'puzzle' sucks bum. Sorry. This just isn't the 80's and early 90's anymore, trying to get people to break out the graph paper (which no-one even knows exists anymore) to solve a puzzle is.....not reasonable. Even sticking some tools on the in-game map isn't really that great because it's only one puzzle. If the puzzle was a natural extension of stuff we were already doing in the game then, sure, fine, but it isn't. At least the surveyor map is an actual map fragment you can engage with and compare to your own explorations.

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks about it (because I'm sure someone will be happy to soapbox about it), it's a fact that the gaming culture just doesn't expect stuff like this anymore. It's not normal. So you can't just drop it in and wonder why no-one realises what they have to do. It looks like lore fluff like you get all over the place in every game, and even if you realise you actually have to do something with all those numbers, no-one born from 1995 onwards has any cultural knowledge whatsoever, let alone personal experience, of how to engage with it and create a solution.

...well, it's 2019, they WILL create a solution. They'll go online and find the answer. That's the modern solution, and no, sorry old people, it's a completely valid solution, like reading a book for an answer but way quicker.

I agree with you in part because I felt the same way, but it IS a puzzle and if you carefully examine the clues you can come up with a very good guesstimate using the formula 2 lir = 1 sector width or height. So eyeball the map and the stars listed in the benchmark clues and apply the distances mentally from each and you will get rather close, then just go there and confirm. It was easier than graphing the problem and still very close (1400 ± 100 astro units) when I did it.

After having all the fun of solving it, record the location of the wormhole for future games. That part of the map will likely remain the same since four clues would have to be changed to move it.

[Herflik]

Originally posted by Aminari:

Here is a map of the known galaxy as of this patch 10.3
https://pasteboard.co/I0anWJe.png

You don't have one point that I had and vice-versa. In the Phage area with 2 speed-up rings. It sems that you used the "disaligned" one and warped to some system. When you align both of them it will send you to other system.

The one you lack is around -6,3 x 10,6

It explain one of anomaly on the planets where it was spaming warning that the rings were disaligned. So one ship of the aliens runing from phage jumped to wrong system.

[Cyan_PL]

While I agree this is probably the hardest of riddles currently in game, any 'graph paper' techniques are waaaay overkill... Just consider that all the benchmarks point to the same location (Whirlpool). Looking at the map, in your mind, draw straight lines from all benchmarks, and what you are looking for is at their intersection.
No need to even take out a calculator (to get the Lir- AU ratio), let alone graph paper ;)

[Palandus]

So... it is a visitable place? I was starting to wonder.

But for me, I prefer to just blow their ships up. My current starship has enough plasma cannons and shields and reactors to take on entire fleets of Sentinel ships, so this race offers little threat anyway. Give them the occasional bribe, and everything is good.

But I also agree... forcing people to take out the graphing paper is so 80s and 90s... and im not going to be bothered with doing it. Just look up online, for the coordinates.

Doing something like that map on it's side for the Progent thingy was a good way to do things... but this is just too much work for too little reward.

[zenstrata]

This mission desperately needs some pointers. Not so much about finding the capitol. I blundered on that just fine simply by exploring along the arms of the galaxy we are in. (Knowing how a galaxy often has arms and how the spin of a galaxy distributes stars along particular paths allows one to simply fly along where the arms should be and find the stars just fine)

The difficulty for me happened when I explored every system fully, but did not bother to do the puzzles as I went along. So now I have this massive listing of msgs in my quest log and it's so huge I can't find the reference for the names of the bird race planets even after several hours of searching the logs.

IF a player has found the planets and explored them, the names and listings should be added into the main active quest listing at the top please.

[Palandus]

If you need the four names, I can give them to you, if you like.

[ringat]

A description of my solution (also the longer mathematical way)


I did get the solution the following way:

1, The hint at the citadel, four planets with the word "benchmark" in it include distance to local star and the wormhole in a non-real measure unit.
2. Measure the distance of one planet to local star in AU, sitting on benchmark- planet or in star.
3. Convert AU and local distance unit into "coordinate units". One coordinate unit is 4000 AU. Measured that with my ship.
4.With these infos, use a website, which calculates the intersections of circles (coordinate units!) or do it the hard way: Make 2 circle equations, subtract one from another, get the equation for the line between the intersection points by solving to y (quadratic cancels out) and put this into one circle equation. Solve for x, using the quadratic formula. Then get y with the formula for the line. Check with distance of circle 3, which of the 2 points is correct. Or use common sense.

My solution, using a website to calculate was (-2,955, -30,35197) that is 0,396 coordinate units (1584 AU) from the real location (and close to the border of sight range). Tried it the hard way, but my discriminant below the root was <0, and I did not want to look for error.

Another way to get this would be good, even doing unit conversions is too much for many players. Only a few player would do, what I described. Searching for info is hard in this game, since you have much garbage in your logs.

I however liked this riddle.

Planet stars are:

Golden Jester
Crimson Priestess
Dying Cathedral
Silver Sword

Is needed. If you did not try to solve this on your own, you won`t remember.

[son-goku]

Originally posted by ringat:

4.With these infos, use a website, which calculates the intersections of circles

It would help if you posted a link to that website you used. I can only find sites that offer two circles but not a single one with more than that.

[[TE] Kuraudo]

My only complaint is that I wasn't able to try and solve the puzzle since I randomly saw a white dwarf star in the southern sector and flew over to it to see what it was about, causing me to stumble upon it by chance :(

[Kryptan]

I've found the warp to the 3 star systems, where i think the nest world is. I have visited every planet, but i cant find the home world. Rebuilt my ship todo 400 speed and did spiral out of those 3 systems and after a hour of doing circles i give up.

[Doombunny]

This isn't a puzzle, its a pain in the ass.