Historical Accuracy

[eoincaomhanach]

When are they going to bring caves into this game? in winter Paleolithic man would migrate into caves, however this very important detail is missing from this game.

[Nakia]

Caves were prior to the period we are playing. This game starts at the end of the Paleolithic period when humans were beginning to build semi-permanent villages. No caves.

[BarnacleFilms]

Besides contrary to popular belief, not all prehistoric peoples would be living out in caves, it’s just that their remains preserve better in them so we know of more cave living peoples due to the preservation bias.

[Ronald Gordo]

Don't take my words into consideration without studying a little and listening to the other players (there are very smart people here), but I believe the first houses, built from a hole in the floor, with no windows and a single door (or an opening in the ceiling) were a kind of fabricated cave, which would serve as an indication that humans actually lived in caves, and were trying to build them.

To this day, our homes do not resemble treetops, but caves.

[Gnome Tycoon]

Nice thoughts,

Presumably their would have been many variaties of shelter/home for mankind after the austrolophiticus arose to two feet, but also from being of ♥♥♥♥-sapiens-sapiens, many variaties must have been in practice overtime.

First association was, Nakia has a point and would be great if some caves? could be made to be home in the paleothic period, as this period has such a wide range of historic opportunities (one of the main selling point imho of the game) to engage / bring to life (sorry english is not my first language). So yeah living in caves is definatly a valid point imho (we have hoards of cave animals as it is).

Second assosiation on this was the movie, don't think it's of topic, new to steam, but had to share:

A guerra do fogo

Really reccommend this movie if u like this game. For those who don't know it. No need for language as it's set in prior language (discutable) time, mankind lives in caves (hence the association), has to preserve fire as they don't know how to make it, they can however havist it after natural fires and attempt to preserve it wich gives them unknown possibilitiy's (scare's animals and barbequed meat tends to taste better to mankind, etc etc)

Movie is about these folks meeting another tribe that does have the knowledge how to produce fire afther they lost their own fire and have sent out a group on the firehunt.

Could be a thought of the game, harvesting fire during storms and having to fuel them till knowledge of making fire is established.

Has been mentioned before, but miss as others has put forward the burial rituals, but read that that could be implemented.

A miss a burial place (cremation or (mass)burial).

And i miss ritual animal sacrifices, at least ;) as i had my thought's on that raiders blood & body just uselesly given to mother earth withouth thinking about Gods first...

[Gnome Tycoon]

Thinking about it, the next Dawn of Man shoud be Birth of Man (free to use ;) )

But so many opporturnities, u start off as manapes? on the virge of evolving to austrolophiticus as they have to live in savannah now (climate change ? ). Then ♥♥♥♥ habilis, ♥♥♥♥ erectus, ♥♥♥♥ sapiens, then ♥♥♥♥ sapiens sapiens, and i would be especially curious what the dev's would do with the awkward nephew the Neanderthalers ;) Great...

And then Dawn of life, starting with those bubbles that made oxygen & ending after the Cumbrian revolution with some animals climbing up to the surface after the athpmoshpere allowed it..

2 cents thought aside

[Ronald Gordo]

"Quest for Fire" (1981) is a fun movie.
Some scenes are kind of improvised, but overall it's very cool.

It has full on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/direitoudfturma2017/videos/1899167473684737/?v=1899167473684737

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A Guerra do Fogo (1981) é um filme divertido.
Algumas cenas são meio improvisadas, mas no geral é bem legal.
Tem completo no Facebook:

[BarnacleFilms]

Originally posted by Gnome Tycoon:

Nice thoughts,

Presumably their would have been many variaties of shelter/home for mankind after the austrolophiticus arose to two feet, but also from being of ♥♥♥♥-sapiens-sapiens, many variaties must have been in practice overtime.

First association was, Nakia has a point and would be great if some caves? could be made to be home in the paleothic period, as this period has such a wide range of historic opportunities (one of the main selling point imho of the game) to engage / bring to life (sorry english is not my first language). So yeah living in caves is definatly a valid point imho (we have hoards of cave animals as it is).

Second assosiation on this was the movie, don't think it's of topic, new to steam, but had to share:

A guerra do fogo

Really reccommend this movie if u like this game. For those who don't know it. No need for language as it's set in prior language (discutable) time, mankind lives in caves (hence the association), has to preserve fire as they don't know how to make it, they can however havist it after natural fires and attempt to preserve it wich gives them unknown possibilitiy's (scare's animals and barbequed meat tends to taste better to mankind, etc etc)

Movie is about these folks meeting another tribe that does have the knowledge how to produce fire afther they lost their own fire and have sent out a group on the firehunt.

Could be a thought of the game, harvesting fire during storms and having to fuel them till knowledge of making fire is established.

Has been mentioned before, but miss as others has put forward the burial rituals, but read that that could be implemented.

A miss a burial place (cremation or (mass)burial).

And i miss ritual animal sacrifices, at least ;) as i had my thought's on that raiders blood & body just uselesly given to mother earth withouth thinking about Gods first...

Humans had already learned to harness fire by ♥♥♥♥ erectus, this game all takes place within the last 12,000 years, way too recent for anything like that to happen, the people in the game would already have mastered fire long ago.

[SpottyGekko]

Early man didn't actually live in caves (i.e. underground chambers), they lived under large rock overhangs. Deep caves were for special rituals and a place to preserve rock engravings and paintings.

When an open fire is your only source of light, it's simply not practical to live in total darkness, because the cost of keeping a fire burning constantly (as a light source) would have been very expensive time-wise.

Even a small group would very quickly strip the surrounding area of fallen twigs and branches, and actively chopping wood with only stone tools would have been very slow and energy intensive work.

[Gnome Tycoon]

Originally posted by Ronald Gordo:

"Quest for Fire" (1981) is a fun movie.
Some scenes are kind of improvised, but overall it's very cool.

Yeah, Quest for Fire is the proper name, yeah lot of improvising i assume, but one of the few of it's kind, like this game...

Humans had already learned to harness fire by ♥♥♥♥ erectus, this game all takes place within the last 12,000 years, way too recent for anything like that to happen, the people in the game would already have mastered fire long ago. [/quote]

Yes, youre absolutely right offcoarse, just got carried away with the idea to be honest, the game is the Dawn of Man, not the birth of it. The Paleo area is what i love the most though, it's such a broad era, always intreaged me the most in the history classes i had..

@ SpottyGekko, love all that info

[Oakshield]

Irony:

Asking about a more historical accurate game which plays in a time frame which is called PRE-historic because nothing about it is written down.

Everything we know about the era's the game is based upon assumptions made by archaeologists and even now some of these assumptions may be wrong. So unless we are actually able to do time travel, we'll never find out how things were done at that time.

#2) The mentioned movie also has lots of flaws, based upon assumptions done up to that time and some of those are already considered as completely wrong.
Although the books itself are considered as fiction; the Earth Children series by Jean Auel are far more accurate as the mentioned movie. Most important, because it's written while consulting multiple archaeologists.
So it would be a much better choice to use those books as a guide line, instead of a movie based upon how Holywood thinks things happened.

Thorin :)

[BarnacleFilms]

Originally posted by Oakshield:

Irony:

Asking about a more historical accurate game which plays in a time frame which is called PRE-historic because nothing about it is written down.

Everything we know about the era's the game is based upon assumptions made by archaeologists and even now some of these assumptions may be wrong. So unless we are actually able to do time travel, we'll never find out how things were done at that time.

#2) The mentioned movie also has lots of flaws, based upon assumptions done up to that time and some of those are already considered as completely wrong.
Although the books itself are considered as fiction; the Earth Children series by Jean Auel are far more accurate as the mentioned movie. Most important, because it's written while consulting multiple archaeologists.
So it would be a much better choice to use those books as a guide line, instead of a movie based upon how Holywood thinks things happened.

Thorin :)

There is no documented history but that does not mean we know nothing about the period. Many things are not set in stone but are likely true even if we can't prove them 100%. And also the late game is definitely well into the start of history.

[eoincaomhanach]

Originally posted by Oakshield:

Irony:

Asking about a more historical accurate game which plays in a time frame which is called PRE-historic because nothing about it is written down.

Everything we know about the era's the game is based upon assumptions made by archaeologists and even now some of these assumptions may be wrong. So unless we are actually able to do time travel, we'll never find out how things were done at that time.

#2) The mentioned movie also has lots of flaws, based upon assumptions done up to that time and some of those are already considered as completely wrong.
Although the books itself are considered as fiction; the Earth Children series by Jean Auel are far more accurate as the mentioned movie. Most important, because it's written while consulting multiple archaeologists.
So it would be a much better choice to use those books as a guide line, instead of a movie based upon how Holywood thinks things happened.

Thorin :)

Oh, look a keyboard warrior being a keyboard warrior. I happen to be an archaeologist; I discussed this topic at length with other archaeologists who specialise in this area as I do not focus on this period of pre-history. We have some knowledge of the lives of ♥♥♥♥ neanderthalensis and ♥♥♥♥ sapiens. Obviously, we do not have a complete picture of the day to day lives of Stone Age, Bronze Age or Iron Age man, we never truly will due to the thousands of years separating them and us. However, we do know that there was migration between summer camps and winter ones, the winter ones did in fact include cave dwellings, some areas up to more recent times of human evolution than others, there is no definite cut off point where cave dwelling stopped (FYI people in Turkey still live in dwellings cut out of caves) . Also, who the ♥♥♥♥ do you think you are coming at me like a condescending ♥♥♥♥? Do you hold a qualification on archaeology, history or any other relevant discipline, or are you just another gamer who, just because he played a game thinks he knows it all?

[eoincaomhanach]

Originally posted by Nakia:

Caves were prior to the period we are playing. This game starts at the end of the Paleolithic period when humans were beginning to build semi-permanent villages. No caves.

the cut off point for cave dwellings differ region to region, there is no period when cave dwellings just ceased.

[Nakia]

Originally posted by eoincaomhanach:

Originally posted by Nakia:

Caves were prior to the period we are playing. This game starts at the end of the Paleolithic period when humans were beginning to build semi-permanent villages. No caves.

the cut off point for cave dwellings differ region to region, there is no period when cave dwellings just ceased.

You are the expert or have expert sources handy. My comment was a simple one directed at the idea that the game must have caves. Caves in those mountain areas certainly would be handy to have for the miners but that is a decision I am happy to leave to the developers.

[Nakia]

Just saw this video and article. It is in Israel so is notappropriate for this European based game.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/kids/video/a-game-changing-prehistoric-city-was-just-unearthed/vi-AAEKpQV?ocid=spartandhp