Women in Combat

[Gabbor]

I looked at some of the screenshots and it seems like around 50% of the warriors are women.
This is just down right ridiculous and I want to know if that's actually the case in game or if you can change it yourself?

[Trentscousin]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡Paul:

This is a confirmed Troll. :guardian:

Why is it we take the bait? is the OP lonely?....are we?

[Wicker]

Originally posted by ActuallyItsAnchovy:

Errrr, any particular reason the unsavory people are coming now? Dude, a woman can fire a bow same as a man, melee combat they might perform worse just because genetics and gender roles, but the point is women can still fight invaders.

Depends on the bow. At any rate, what is physically possible isn't entirely the point, women were not warriors for not only that reason, but because they were far more important for keeping society going. Say you have one woman and 30 men, that society will likely collapse, but with 30 women and 1 man, he can impregnate them all and keep it going.

[Nuupa]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡Paul:

This is a confirmed Troll. :guardian:

Elaborate

[white_knight_leo]

I agree that it makes no sense at all for women to be taking part in repelling the raiders, nor in hunting the more dangerous animals. Female fertility is quite literally the most important resource available to primitive tribes like the one you control in this game; more so than even food, in some ways.

But that's hardly the only place where this game lacks realism. The inability to have people specialize in particular tasks - especially after you unlock agriculture - is far, far more unrealistic than that.

You're right, but it's a minor issue in the grand scheme of things.

EDIT: Someone mentioned bows, so I'll add a few words about that. Modern compound bows are *far, far easier* to use than a primitive hunting bow would have been, and require far less strength. Bows are *not* weapons for people with less upper-body strength - that's purely a Hollywood invention. Few women were capable of using an English war bow - and even if a Paleolithic bow wouldn't have had quite that high of a poundage rating, they were still weapons requiring significant physical strength to properly wield.

Bows are not crossbows.

Again: *Hollywood gets almost everything about almost every kind of weapon, past and present, wrong*. If a weapon is used in a Hollywood film, you can safely assume it is used incorrectly or unrealistically 99% of the time.

The correct weapon for a woman - who by nature would have been shorter, slighter, and had a shorter reach than the men in her tribe - would be a two-handed spear.

[Osama Bin Lagging]

Anything is possible if you deny reality and logic and filter it with a ' everyone is equal in everyway' filter

[Dregora]

I love how all these self proclaimed historians think they know it all and if you don't agree you're a lefty or something.

It's a game. I can't believe people actually zoom in and pay attention to this. This did not cross my mind at all.
It doesn't bother me BECAUSE it's a game. It's not reality. Reality standards shouldn't be pushed into the game.

Games shouldn't be a medium for your political agenda. They become that, I know, but they shouldn't.

[Kamamura]

Short version: Women in combat is BS.

Long version: Women suck in combat - they are weaker, shorter, lighter, and are built differently. In combat, you need a line of men that are dependable - if your flank is covered by a feeble woman who becomes naturally the first target, you will get surrounded after she falls and die too.

Moreover, a woman cannot fire a warbow, that's a movie trope, because bows are strength-intensive weapons - if you are not strong enough to draw it properly and stand steady to aim, you cannot use it.

That's why women rushed to hide with the children while men rallied to repel the invaders. If they died, the women became spoils of war for the winning tribe, mostly with the children - they knew their value and were not slaughtered needlessly. Strong and successful chieftains had many women - it was a sign of wealth, and this notion survived till today.

♥♥♥♥ sapiens triumphed over ♥♥♥♥ neanderthalensis because he specialized - men fought and hunted, women took care of the children and handcrafted things of daily use.

[Pogo]

Originally posted by sidΞWay:

He kinda has the point, half of my "army" was old women with swords. This just looks ridiculous, especially since it's a historically accurate game about Hunter/Gatherer Society...

LOL, this game is barely accurate about hunter/gatherer societies. If it were accurate, it would strictly reduce any "research" decisions you can make, and also take thousands of years.

Originally posted by Kamamura:

Short version: Women in combat is BS.

Long version: Women suck in combat - they are weaker, shorter, lighter, and are built differently. In combat, you need a line of men that are dependable - if your flank is covered by a feeble woman who becomes naturally the first target, you will get surrounded after she falls and die too.

Moreover, a woman cannot fire a warbow, that's a movie trope, because bows are strength-intensive weapons - if you are not strong enough to draw it properly and stand steady to aim, you cannot use it.

That's why women rushed to hide with the children while men rallied to repel the invaders. If they died, the women became spoils of war for the winning tribe, mostly with the children - they knew their value and were not slaughtered needlessly. Strong and successful chieftains had many women - it was a sign of wealth, and this notion survived till today.

♥♥♥♥ sapiens triumphed over ♥♥♥♥ neanderthalensis because he specialized - men fought and hunted, women took care of the children and handcrafted things of daily use.

My god you're an idiot. Women suck in combat but they are going to be naturally the first target? lol what?

A woman can fire a warbow. You know who can't fire a warbow, or even know anything about bows beyond what you've played in videogames? You.

Know what's another hollywood trope? Women running and hiding from combat when their livelihoods are at stake. There are plenty of historical accounts of women fighting. You should emerge from your basement some time.

[Δ*Alpha.]

Originally posted by Pogo:

Originally posted by sidΞWay:

He kinda has the point, half of my "army" was old women with swords. This just looks ridiculous, especially since it's a historically accurate game about Hunter/Gatherer Society...

LOL, this game is barely accurate about hunter/gatherer societies. If it were accurate, it would strictly reduce any "research" decisions you can make, and also take thousands of years.

Originally posted by Kamamura:

Short version: Women in combat is BS.

Long version: Women suck in combat - they are weaker, shorter, lighter, and are built differently. In combat, you need a line of men that are dependable - if your flank is covered by a feeble woman who becomes naturally the first target, you will get surrounded after she falls and die too.

Moreover, a woman cannot fire a warbow, that's a movie trope, because bows are strength-intensive weapons - if you are not strong enough to draw it properly and stand steady to aim, you cannot use it.

That's why women rushed to hide with the children while men rallied to repel the invaders. If they died, the women became spoils of war for the winning tribe, mostly with the children - they knew their value and were not slaughtered needlessly. Strong and successful chieftains had many women - it was a sign of wealth, and this notion survived till today.

♥♥♥♥ sapiens triumphed over ♥♥♥♥ neanderthalensis because he specialized - men fought and hunted, women took care of the children and handcrafted things of daily use.

My god you're an idiot. Women suck in combat but they are going to be naturally the first target? lol what?

A woman can fire a warbow. You know who can't fire a warbow, or even know anything about bows beyond what you've played in videogames? You.

Know what's another hollywood trope? Women running and hiding from combat when their livelihoods are at stake. There are plenty of historical accounts of women fighting. You should emerge from your basement some time.

It depends on the bow. Naturally, the bigger the bow the more upper body strength required to draw it. Having to shoot several hundred arrows in the course of an engagement would be very taxing.
Longbows in particular were draining, as you had to have been trained as a child in order to develop the upper body strength needed to draw the massive bow.


"There are plenty of historical accounts of women fighting."
I'm sure there are, but are there any of women besting men in melee combat? I doubt it.

[Cheran]

Originally posted by *Alpha.:

"There are plenty of historical accounts of women fighting."
I'm sure there are, but are there any of women besting men in melee combat? I doubt it.

I can bench press 330 lbs without problems, what do you think?

[Nuupa]

Originally posted by Cheran:

Originally posted by *Alpha.:

"There are plenty of historical accounts of women fighting."
I'm sure there are, but are there any of women besting men in melee combat? I doubt it.

I can bench press 330 lbs without problems, what do you think?

What?

[Cheran]

Originally posted by BOE:

What?

Hm, I'll take "To which movie does this dialogue belongs to?" for 400 and solve: "Pullp Fiction".

[Joe Coffee]

Originally posted by Gabbor:

I looked at some of the screenshots and it seems like around 50% of the warriors are women.
This is just down right ridiculous and I want to know if that's actually the case in game or if you can change it yourself?

Sure. Just tell them to get into the kitchen and make you a bronto-burger.

[TigerB44]

Originally posted by ୧༼ಠ益ಠ༽୨:

Anything is possible if you deny reality and logic and filter it with a ' everyone is equal in everyway' filter

Don't say that or all the soy-boys and femenazis will cry again.

[Cheran]

Originally posted by Snidely Whiplash:

Originally posted by Gabbor:

I looked at some of the screenshots and it seems like around 50% of the warriors are women.
This is just down right ridiculous and I want to know if that's actually the case in game or if you can change it yourself?

Sure. Just tell them to get into the kitchen and make you a bronto-burger.

Ha, I've seen through your cunning plan to lull innocent women into compliance, Snidely Whiplash, so you can kidnap and drag them into your evil lair. But not with me, good sir!