Spirit bomb question

[Dr. Professor Commander]

Why does Goku drop out of a transformation when executing this move? Is there even a reason for this in the first place, it just seems weird for him to revert to his base form, throw the spirit bomb, then re-transform again and continue.

Also does this mean that the super attack calculates damage only based off of his base form, or do transformation damage boosts still affect it?

[Crimsomrider]

I guess they did so because certain special moves are quite iconic. And so many DBZ games prior to Kakarot did the same. The Ultimate Spirit Bomb would always have Goku drop into default form and then have him transform into a Super Saiyan when sending it away, because it's quite an iconic scene from the anime.

As for whether the damage calculation changes, personally I do not think it does, but this can be easily tested. Just drop one against Bonyu or whichever training boss while transformed and another one while not transformed and watch the damage numbers.

[phily]

They probably had to find a balance between not having it at all vs having it available in combat. It is only ever used sparingly, rather than how it can be used in Kakarot. And generally he puts all his energy into it, so drops out of his form. Also, it requires a lot of concentration and peace while SS it mostly rage driven, so there's another reason.

[Jill Sandwich]

I'd assume it's cause you can't make a spirit bomb with a malicious heart hence

[Dr. Professor Commander]

These explanations make sense, but I never really pieced the anger thing and energy requirements together regarding the Spirit Bomb. I never actually paid much attention to whether he was in base form or SS when executing the move either, so that's where my confusion came from haha.

[nobalkain]

It was explained, at some point in all the Lore, that the Spirit Bomb cannot be created while in SS. Do keep in mind this was ignored in one of the Movies, but besides the Beerus and later those were not written by the Author. Dont ask me where this was explain because I have long since forgotten.

[Dr. Professor Commander]

Originally posted by nobalkain:

It was explained, at some point in all the Lore, that the Spirit Bomb cannot be created while in SS. Do keep in mind this was ignored in one of the Movies, but besides the Beerus and later those were not written by the Author. Dont ask me where this was explain because I have long since forgotten.

Honestly, I believe it considering in retrospect I've never seen Goku use it in SS form. Plus I think during the Saiyan, Namek, and Buu arcs he was using it, or attempting to use it as something of a last resort when he was already in a weakened state (Passing the energy to Krillin to use on Vegeta, stalling Frieza for time, Vegeta distracting kid Buu). I think I just kind of assumed he wasn't in SS because he didn't have the energy to be, rather than it simply not being possible due to it's ki cost or not having a peaceful mindset.

[vaalve sucks]

Originally posted by Docta Wahwee:

Why does Goku drop out of a transformation when executing this move? Is there even a reason for this in the first place, it just seems weird for him to revert to his base form, throw the spirit bomb, then re-transform again and continue.

Also does this mean that the super attack calculates damage only based off of his base form, or do transformation damage boosts still affect it?

imo, is bc he can gather more naturally in his normal form, when in super saiyan, he has to use some of his energy to keep the transformation, does that makes sense?

[ChaosBahamut]

The Spirit Bomb requires the user to have a pure heart, and the inherit rage/anger the Super Saiyan transformation possesses (even when fully mastered, apparently) messes with that. (the movie where Goku used and merged with the Spirit Bomb's non-canon btw, so that doesn't really count) The game works around this by simply having him drop back to base form while using the attack. (course as the end of the Buu saga illustrated, nothing wrong with going back into Super Saiyan mode to get an advantage during a power struggle)

As for why the attack is seldom used in the manga/anime: One, it takes a LOT of time to charge up. Two, an attack of that magnitude does have the risk of inflicting extreme collateral damage, including blowing up the planet it's used on, making it a Godzilla Threshold.

[Ifusaso]

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Spirit_Bomb#Usage_and_Power
ChaosBahamut is correct; Goku can only charge the ability in base form, canon.

However, basic testing shows that you *do* get the damage boost from being in SS/etc. form when you use it in this game.

[raGe The Mighty]

Originally posted by Gigachad Freeman:

Why does Goku drop out of a transformation when executing this move? Is there even a reason for this in the first place, it just seems weird for him to revert to his base form, throw the spirit bomb, then re-transform again and continue.

Also does this mean that the super attack calculates damage only based off of his base form, or do transformation damage boosts still affect it?

From the lore of DBZ, the spirit bomb can only be produced from someone with a good, positive energy, super saiyan form derives from rage and hatred wich are negative/evil energy so technically Goku wouldn't be able to make a spirit bomb while being a super saiyan. Krillin talks about this in the super android 13 movie. Only in the buu saga we see Goku transforming into super saiyan to Boost his power and defeat Majin buu with the spirit bomb but it was already formed and launched at buu, also in the cell saga when he trained in the hyperbolic chamber with Gohan, they trained themself to always be super saiyan so they could remove the hatred and rage feeling while transformed and also for their bodies to get used to the transformation and therefor being less energy consuming. Now for the damage calculation, I think it calculates with the stats of the current transformation you are. But I'll try the spirit bomb in every form to see if it does more damage or the same.