Is there a trick to this game?

[G0DS F3AR]

I love Dragonball and I really want to like this game, but there is a fatal flaw that kills it for me. The combat is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I got all the way to captain ginyu and every major fight has enemies with ridiculous hyper armor and a counter that is EXTREMELY difficult to dodge. You can't grind levels because the enemies just level with you and it takes FOREVER to level against mobs anyway. Am I playing it wrong? I like From Software games and I try to play it like that. counters and dodging.

[Kuz]

If the lvl difference is greater than 4-5, it is nearly impossible to beat the opponent, or at least it takes ages. Level up with killing mobs and doing the side quests.

Also, build up your battle-related communities with badges that give the highest bonus (also level up these badges).

Before a boss fight eat something with your characters to get some extra bonus and have full health.

Use the strongest KI attacks after:
- you stunned a boss
- he used a strong KI attack
- you punched him 2-3 times

Never use strong attacks, moreover, get the f*** out of the close proximity of the boss, when he is charging a big bada skill. Go as far as you can and spam dodge to one side.

Get some senzu beans and add them to the quick items slot.

Always level up your skill tree and if you are within 2-3 lvls of the recommended lvl to get a new one, get it! Sometimes you need to try it more than once, but the new skill unlocks further skill upgrades.

[G0DS F3AR]

I'll get it on steam and try again with your advice in mind.

[Kuz]

Yesterday I played some and realized something. I completed the main storyline and Goku/Vegita/Gohan are around the lvl 75-85 range, however the other characters are only lvl40-55. In one of the sidequest Piccolo wants to fight again Goku, so you must include 2 "weak" characters in your group (Goku and Gohan are not allowed in this quest, but you can keep Vegita). Although the mobs are pretty strong for a weak party, but you can use the - dont know the name - party actions where you can make Vegita to use certain attacks (I think it is bound to the right action button on a controller). With this you can still kill the mobs, even if you control Piccolo and with the couple of hundred thousands exp, you can also level up your weak characters.

[G0DS F3AR]

Alright I started again with this in mind and I realized what it was about the combat that irritates me. It's basically whack until the enemy goes retarded with hyper armor then DODGE like your life depends on it (because it does) then repeat. Whereas in my favorite DB game xenoverse it actually feels like I am trading blows with the enemy not waiting my turn to do my mediocre damage then run. I'll try to beat the game again, but the combat is probably the weakest part of this game which is sad considering its a fighting game. I am still at a loss as to why it got such a good reception.

[Kuz]

Normal ki blasts can be nullified by shotting normal ki blasts.

Powerful ki strikes (final flash, kamehameha and the likes) can be countered with similar attack and if timed correctly, a special action starts when you have to press X rapidly and if you do it faster than you opponent, your ki strike will succeed and will do even higher damage.

Normal strikes can be dodged, or if the dodge is timed correctly and you have enough ki, you will teleport behind the opponent and will smash him from behind. I dont remember the combo, I think you need to press the dodge and the defend buttons, but its mostly muscle memory for me. :)

Bosses' special attacks cannot be countered or nullified. You have to play along with that and spam dodge. Radizt's and Kid Buu's special attacks are quite annoying, but you can teleport backwards and you can leave the area of effect.

[G0DS F3AR]

I'll keep going

[G0DS F3AR]

Well I can't perfectly time a counter or specific to stop their dumb ults but if you play it like its a turn based game the combat is much less infuriating. Honestly kinda sucks the way they did the combat because it makes the player fight passively and its not very deep, but I think having changed the way I play from my Sekiro/Xenoverse playstlye I will be able to beat the game now without breaking something.

[G0DS F3AR]

thx Kuz

[Necrovulture]

My best advice: Don't rush in guns blazing. This is an action rpg, not a fighting game. Think like how you have to wait for the enemy to be open in Legend of Zelda games before you can safely inflict damage. All opponents have openings where you can throw supers or melee combos onto them. Remember to use the different combo enders as well, like the ki recovery, rush or ki blast to optimize your combos before the opponent can retaliate. Hold guard and ki blast to burst in the middle of an opponent's combo or super to prevent taking the full damage and to get them off of you. Don't try to rush at an enemy who's in their surge phase because it gives them hyperarmor. The game is fundamentally pretty easy. You can also take advantage of the cooking system to permanently raise your stats and the community board system to get lots of buffs. The game gives you every resource to become overpowered, you just have to use them. Every enemy's attack is either dodgeable, counterable, punishable or easy to get out of with burst. It's just a matter of learning attack patterns and how to appropriately respond. I hope this helps.

[G0DS F3AR]

What bothers me is that the combat is as wide as an ocean (90% of the game is fighting) but as deep as a puddle. There is no button combos (thank god I suck at those) or certain moves that you can link together or decent timing that allows you to fight like in Sekiro. Yeah you can dodge but how often does a perfect dodge actually allow you to fight back. It goes slow mo as if it expects you to retaliate but it doesnt last long enough to circle behind them and if you attack from the front you just get smacked by the rest of the combo. Which leaves super ki attacks only. -_-

[Keeves]

Publicado originalmente por BeanGodBob:

What bothers me is that the combat is as wide as an ocean (90% of the game is fighting) but as deep as a puddle. There is no button combos (thank god I suck at those) or certain moves that you can link together or decent timing that allows you to fight like in Sekiro. Yeah you can dodge but how often does a perfect dodge actually allow you to fight back. It goes slow mo as if it expects you to retaliate but it doesnt last long enough to circle behind them and if you attack from the front you just get smacked by the rest of the combo. Which leaves super ki attacks only. -_-

If you are spamming the same button for a hit combo you are doing it wrong. There are combos.

[G0DS F3AR]

OK lets say I'm oblivious to all combos, What does it matter with the hyper armor every 10 seconds? Even the crappy mobs do it.

[Necrovulture]

Publicado originalmente por BeanGodBob:

OK lets say I'm oblivious to all combos, What does it matter with the hyper armor every 10 seconds? Even the crappy mobs do it.

I can't really say what you're necessarily doing wrong without gameplay but I've never encountered a fight that felt unfair or bs. Also there is some depth to the combo system, just not all that much. That much I understand but if your complaint is that the game is too hard, complaining that the combos aren't complex enough seems a tad asinine all due respect. Regardless, like I said, there are ways to get around everything the enemies can do. I.E, Saibaman's assault claw can be canceled with a single basic ki blast, all of the basic mobs from the first two arcs' blast volleys can be easily evaded by dodging from left to right or by tapping dodge repeatedly and moving to one side ect. Bosses have similar albeit less obvious or crippling weaknesses such as their vulnerability post-surge or for some more "specific" examples, Android 20's beam pans towards you so if you boost-dash to the side by holding down dodge, you can stop after his beam slows down and fire a few ki blasts at him in-between his attacks to optimize damage. Or the slightly overused assault rush attack by some basic fodder mobs, cell, vegeta and zarbon can be easily punished by dodging backwards outside of the range of their kicks and firing a point-blank ki blast super. Also you can get past the constant hyperarmor by using physical moves with high guard break and taking the character ugprades that increase your guard break capabilities. You probably know this but the physical supers will chip away pretty heavily at the enemy's stun meter. If you empty their stun meter, you break their guard and all your combos and supers do more damage and have cinematic finishers. Gohan is probably the best at doing this considering more than half of his unlocked supers are physical but Vegeta can do it really easily once he unlocks Infinity Breaker and Goku can do it decently after getting Dragon Hammer Fist. But again, the game gives you every resource to be powerful and the enemies all have openings and punishable abilities. The combat is a bit more nuanced than you might be giving it credit for.

[Necrovulture]

Also: don't take this as me being condescending as this is something I actually took almost an entire playthrough to understand and keep up with, but just taking character upgrades isn't enough. You have to equip them in the same menu that you use to change your equipped supers. If you already knew that, sorry, but I figured if you were having issues with everyone having hyper armor, you might not have stuff like heavy blow equipped to your Know-How.

[G0DS F3AR]

Nah I got all that I just dislike the lack of depth. If you play by the rules none of the fights are very hard it just feels like you are fighting with shackles and I dislike it.