Free to play or not?

[Mirai]

Today I discovered this game, it seems very interesting

[Lumie ✿ ;]

Originally posted by Delriel:

Steady income on the sense that every new player invest money on the game, compared to F2P where most players wont spend on anything ever. No need to nitpick

Yeah, invest money on the game. Once.

"most F2P players won't spend anything ever"
This makes no sense, how do F2P games even survive then?

[Mugen]

Originally posted by Delriel:

Steady income on the sense that every new player invest money on the game, compared to F2P where most players wont spend on anything ever. No need to nitpick

Took the words right out of my mouth, lol...

[Mugen]

Originally posted by Lumiere 🌸 :

Originally posted by Delriel:

Steady income on the sense that every new player invest money on the game, compared to F2P where most players wont spend on anything ever. No need to nitpick

Yeah, invest money on the game. Once.

"most F2P players won't spend anything ever"
This makes no sense, how do F2P games even survive then?

If a game is F2P, you have to understand that there are some players that won't spend a penny on the game. But with B2P, every player has spent at least a baseline amount towards the game which goes a long way as opposed to walking into the game for free. If you check the amount of followers of KurtzPel on Steam there are tens of thousands of Steam users!

Just imagine like...50,000 players paying 10 bucks to buy the game! And we're only talking about the players from OUR region. Worldwide, they'll be racking up a ton of money on top of the cash shops that they'll have which will be hopefully centered on just cosmetics and appeal rather than P2W microtransactions. KOG's previous game has so much P2W crap because they have to make up for the difference from really getting much money elsewhere. So even if you think it's just "once"...they'll get thousands of dollars as players continue to join the game WORLDWIDE. So I think that's pretty steady if you ask me...

[Delriel]

Originally posted by Lumiere 🌸 :

Originally posted by Delriel:

Steady income on the sense that every new player invest money on the game, compared to F2P where most players wont spend on anything ever. No need to nitpick

Yeah, invest money on the game. Once.

"most F2P players won't spend anything ever"
This makes no sense, how do F2P games even survive then?

F2P survive thanks to "whales" that spends hundreds and even thousands of cash monthly on the game, but they are a small minority (1-2% of the total population usually)

On a lesser scale there are also dolphins(spend cash often but not as much as whales), minnows (spend a limited cash ammount like a suscription or very specific cash shop items) and finally the players who wont ever spend anything that are the majority of players

There have been done studies where whales fund over 50% of the company earnings just by themselves, but to spend so much usually means pay to win, game full of annoyances that go away if you pay etc. otherwise the whales wont have much to spend on

[chii]

So yeah like already everyone else answered, it'll probably be free-to-play. Tbh I'd prefer that it'll be B2P, because of serveral reasons that already many people mentioned.
But either way I'm going to play it, hoping the best for the game.

[TrapMachineBroke]

Look at something like warframe. Its an extremely well developed game and damn near one of the best free to play games out there. Better than most paid mmos tbh. If everyone who made a free to play game had the same mindset as those devs, F2P games would be great. And as for the "F2P games survive thanks to whales" well yeah they do. But that's because well made F2P mmos will get people wanting to support it. Most F2P games that are actually bad die quickly. So if they make a good F2P system with a good balance of ways to get the in game items over buying them, like warframe, then you'll have a really good system. Anyone with the mindset of "Anything F2P will instantly be an inferior product" should literally just look at warframe. There is an amount of grinding if you pay nothing as with all mmos, but the grinding can be made fun as hell with all the weapons and stuff unlockable in the game. You could literally pay 0 dollars in warframe and have just as much fun as the people who pay money. Because you can get access to everything for free that those people pay for, with grinding obviously, and a few exceptions being that some cosmetics are pay only.

[Mugen]

Originally posted by Delriel:

On a lesser scale there are also dolphins(spend cash often but not as much as whales), minnows (spend a limited cash ammount like a suscription or very specific cash shop items) and finally the players who wont ever spend anything that are the majority of players

There have been done studies where whales fund over 50% of the company earnings just by themselves, but to spend so much usually means pay to win, game full of annoyances that go away if you pay etc. otherwise the whales wont have much to spend on

Yes, exactly! And the fact is....there's an obvious reciprocal to that percentage of whale/P2W elites and the amount of P2W microtransactions. The more P2W crap there is, the higher and more challenging it is to become the increasingly small percentage of "top players". And it's ironic because there's only a handful of players who would spent that much crazy amount of money to "pay their way to the top" and fund the game, while screwing over players that play for free lol. I've even heard of companies purposefully trying to PLEASE the whales by making VIP sub services (for Elsword). So clearly if they are getting only funded by whales, they'll do whatever they can to increase the P2W mechanics.

But, having everyone PAY the same amount (or a baseline) to enter the game will make things much more equal because whales won't be as prevalent since it's not as P2W (and the company is getting money from every player, so they won't complain). However, what would be the ultimate slap to the face is if they made this game B2P AND P2W. Hopefully it won't ever come to that but KOG would literally be digging their grave if they did that lol. F2P does work, but the thing is due to KOG's mindset and bad choices in the past we all know things will go sour unless they get tutoring lessons from the devs in WarFrame lol.

[Thine Very Own, Nemesis~]

Originally posted by Mugen Ken:

Originally posted by Thine Very Own, Nemesis~:

It should definitely be Free to Play in it's current state

If it were to be Buy to Play it'd be in desperate need of a lot more work
not only that but the vibe the game gives off is heavily F2P and would get a lot less traffic from B2P people

I myself am looking at it with interest but if they made it buy to play I'd side step it until future info came out that makes it look irresistible but then at that time the game may already be passed the point of no return where there is no opening for more elements to enter the community

Current state? You're talking about the closed beta....right? That's maybe the worst way to judge the game dude. The Early access version hasn't come out yet so let's see if they'll step things up before releasing the full version :/

It's only a step in the process of making this game finally ready dude...

Sadly enough most games give a pretty good idea what state the game will be in the beta
To my knowledge the only thing they will possibly be adding to this is a dual sword class
and maybe some more story content

However the fact of the matter is all in all it's not anywhere close to being a complete game at least not one that people would pay upfront for

There are too few classes, not allot to actually do, no real visible endgame

As for classes this type of game would need at least 8-12 for B2P

3 PvP Game Modes of 2v2 isn't enough at the very least larger scale battles would be an improvement

Even story battles it'd be pretty neat if there were special raid versions that were crazy and required a larger amount of people

I'd assume the Endgame is outfit farming because this game is so PvP based currently that trying to build stats for PvP would only harm it's overall value competitively


Allot of this games potential comes from how often they are willing to update it
but it's upfront value is kind of lacking sure it's a beta currently but it's already pretty much done

It's been out in Korea for about a year after all
which means given my knowledge of mmos that we'll always be behind the korean version and those updates will be the most game changing making it unlikely that the US version of the game will have much power in general when it comes to making content or changes

Course I could always be pleasantly surprised
it's current structure is just not Buy to Play though

[Xaelath]

Its most likely free to play but in all honesty i wont even touch it.

I already had pretty bad experience with KOG and most of Koreans developer including MMOs.

[AnimeGamer501st]

so when all is said taking all the facts and rumor and history of the company, FTP or B2P?

[Xaelath]

Originally posted by AnimeGamer501st:

so when all is said taking all the facts and rumor and history of the company, FTP or B2P?

I never seen a KoG game that's a B2P.
They are mostly a F2P games.

You can even see on Wikipedia listings.

It's obviously designed as MMOs.
If they're sane they'll make it F2P,
If they're insane well they're going on with B2P for a niche product.

Why i said niche? MMOs(RPG) aren't that popular in general anymore.
It's also Anime based which is another downside unless it's a home console Pay once game.

For the sake of discussion I'll throw an argument that "MMOs is technically died".
The only remaining MMO is one that almost closed or the Classic one like GW2 and WoW.

In Company eyes, even Mobile games seems more profitable to make as a F2P games.

The only thing that likely gain attention in Console/PC/Handled(not Phone) are Paid games.
Simply Established a series or name as a developer or publisher with interesting games. That's pretty much it.

Look at Valve current failure with Artifacts, B2P is never a good idea if the game going to be run by community and always online.

This game reminds me of DN alot with the gameplay except it's all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ weebs.

[Jinxxed]

Originally posted by RkChad:

Originally posted by Mugen Ken:

That'll be determined when the EA is released. For now it looks like it'll be Free to play based on a poll being conducted in the official KurtzPel Discord server.

Yeah unfortionatly many people are going to be short-sighted and thinking that not paying right now is better than paying right now ignoring the other consequences. Especially in a game focused on PvP going F2P tends to have game destroying consequences but apparently people prefer a free bad game over a paying for a good game.

Edit: Oh and it still won't be "free", if you're not paying in cash your paying by having an inferior product that tries to get you to be one of the few people that hands over as much cash as possible. It's like going in to a "free" music concert only to have someone punch you in the gut non-stop telling you that you're free to either pay the optional non-gut-punching fee or leaving, also the beer is 20 bucks a glass, but of course, drinking is optional..

I mean...now days paid games have just as much crappy microtransactions as free to play games. Even single player games. Maybe 5-10 years ago this would have made sense, but today, companies are greedier than ever and they know they can get away with it because there are a lot of kids out there and a lot of bad parents.

[Faolchu]

Originally posted by Lumiere 🌸 :

Originally posted by Delriel:

Steady income on the sense that every new player invest money on the game, compared to F2P where most players wont spend on anything ever. No need to nitpick

Yeah, invest money on the game. Once.

"most F2P players won't spend anything ever"
This makes no sense, how do F2P games even survive then?

He said 'most' and he's correct. Most f2p games are being kept alive by a small percentage of whales as most people don't spend over 5-10 euro/dollars.

[Mugen]

Originally posted by Wolf:

Originally posted by Lumiere 🌸 :

Yeah, invest money on the game. Once.

"most F2P players won't spend anything ever"
This makes no sense, how do F2P games even survive then?

He said 'most' and he's correct. Most f2p games are being kept alive by a small percentage of whales as most people don't spend over 5-10 euro/dollars.

yeah, and they cater to the whales with exclusives and bonuses for those who pay for all sorts of goodies...just to keep the whales happy lol

[Wizard]

soo is it f2p or b2p ? i saw the poll for free to play. i wont ever try this game if its b2p.
in the other hand if its f2p and i like it i would spent money on it .