New spells

[mwesthoff]

I ran my magician past the first set of level 7 spells and found a couple new spells that are not listed on any sites that I can find. Has anyone leveled up further to see if more spells exist? a ice storm spell and a magic wall spell are what I found as a second set of level 7 spells.

[joekucera2002]

Spells that existed in BT3 were ported to BT1 and 2. Check the BT3 manual for descriptions.

[Darkmoor9]

But does this mean that, for instance, taking a Conjurer, Magician, etc. past level 13 will get you some new spells (that you'll never get if you change classes at that level, like you'd do in the original)?

If true, then this is important, I think...

[Ω]

No. All spells are learned by level 13 for all classes.

The spells added from BT3 are retroactively available now for all casters.


BT3 has two new spell casting classes: Chronomancer and Geomancer.

It also has a few spells and songs you can purchase when found. These are not level dependent.

[mwesthoff]

I wil test it out tonight to see if they are gone with a class change.

[joekucera2002]

They shouldn't be. i have two wizards in BT1 that still cast ICES.

[JPMcMillen]

Originally posted by mwesthoff:

I got Wizard wall and Ice Storm at level 14 on my magician. Wizard Wall is from BT2 and Ice storm BT3. You don't have all the spells at level 13 there is one more set.

Wrong. All spells are assigned a spell level (1-7) and by character level 13 you will have been able to learn all 7 levels of spells for that class.

[mwesthoff]

Originally posted by JPMcMillen:

Originally posted by mwesthoff:

I got Wizard wall and Ice Storm at level 14 on my magician. Wizard Wall is from BT2 and Ice storm BT3. You don't have all the spells at level 13 there is one more set.

Wrong. All spells are assigned a spell level (1-7) and by character level 13 you will have been able to learn all 7 levels of spells for that class.

My bad, I forgot that I started the magicican after the rest of the party. It is in fact, level 13, and I tried to delete the post but you were too fast lol.

[Socrates Johnson]

Yeah I saw that too and I'm not too sure how I feel about it. The summoned slayer in particular I feel is too OP in BT1 for a low level mage. It has great AC, HP, critically hits and is only a conjurer spell so you get it really early. I wasn't even out of the catacombs yet.

I'm actually not even sure I'll want to use wizard summons with that slayer, or take wandering monsters until I'm at the final levels of Mangar's Tower.

[joekucera2002]

i think the wizard summons are WAY too weak. I remember using one of the higher undead summons and getting a lich in BT1 which was way powerful.

[Socrates Johnson]

Demon lord used to be great. Haven't progressed to it yet to see how it is in remaster.

I always leave one slot open in my part for a monster or summons.

[joekucera2002]

Originally posted by Thulsa Doom:

Demon lord used to be great. Haven't progressed to it yet to see how it is in remaster.

I always leave one slot open in my part for a monster or summons.

Fred the Dop wants to join :)

[wilson.max]

Originally posted by Thulsa Doom:

Demon lord used to be great. Haven't progressed to it yet to see how it is in remaster.

Still great. Superceded in BT2 by Kringle Brothers (much more HP and a longer-ranged breath attack) and Wind Mages, as soon as you get Archmages.

[Darkmoor9]

Going back to the OP... Having "hidden" spells in the remaster that you'd access by taking Conjurers or Magicians beyond level 13 would have been an interesting twist -- especially if players took ages to find out about it. Oh well. :)

[Socrates Johnson]

and frustrating if you lost out on them for not knowing

[Darkmoor9]

Originally posted by Thulsa Doom:

and frustrating if you lost out on them for not knowing

It might end up as one of those "fans found a secret level in game X after 20 years" things. :)

Besides, for it to work, they'd have to be new spells, not anything from the original games; i.e., non-essential. Just a fun extra.