What are your thoughts on this Golden Gate puzzle?

[LewisBavin]

I've just solved 'Out Of the Box' and I really didn't like this one. SPOILERS AHEAD!!!

Firstly, it's only solvable by utilising an anti grav device from a different level right? That's the way I've solved it anyway as I'm pretty sure it's impossible to do within just the level itself.

Secondly, how do you feel about puzzles like this? To my memory NO other level in talos principle 2 needs you to solve it from a different level. (i've only got the 3 east golden gate levels left). Yes the solution is hinted at in the title of the puzzle but I usually ignore these titles as they usually send me down a futile path to solving it. This is the only puzzle in this game that I think is a bit unfair, I spent SO LONG trying to do it without even thinking about overworld help as all other levels have been self contained.

Even when you go down trying to use the other level, the target is incredibly well hidden behind trees and you need to be pixel perfect to get it, they could have at least made that bit a little easier.

Im going to be sweating in the east golden puzzles now, wondering if I need to pixel hunt from a different level.

[Nova Solarius]

The stars in the first game often required using parts from multiple puzzles, and I'm actually kind of disappointed that they mostly did away with that for the sequel. It was one of my favourite bits from the original.

[LewisBavin]

Originally posted by Nova Solarius:

The stars in the first game often required using parts from multiple puzzles, and I'm actually kind of disappointed that they mostly did away with that for the sequel. It was one of my favourite bits from the original.

The majority of the Pandora stars require you to use different levels, having said that I am disappointed at the drop in difficulty of the stars in this game. The prometheus ones are a childish waste of time and the sphynx ones are too simple.

RE 'out of the box' I just wasn't expecting the game to throw me a curve ball like that right near the end when I'm nearly at 100 percent of everything.

[dkamm65]

Outside the Box most certainly does not need anything from other puzzles. I solved it myself with objects given inside the puzzle and have seen others do the same.

[LewisBavin]

Originally posted by dkamm65:

Outside the Box most certainly does not need anything from other puzzles. I solved it myself with objects given inside the puzzle and have seen others do the same.

Okay HOW??! I've done everything myself including all stars and this one seemed so unsolvable to me that it forced me to go against what I thought was the games self-contained level solving rule and search for an external solution. I spent about an hour trying to solve it self contained.

Happy to learn that the game didn't go against what it communicated throughout the rest of the levels (then being self contained)

[dkamm65]

Originally posted by LewisBavin:

Originally posted by dkamm65:

Outside the Box most certainly does not need anything from other puzzles. I solved it myself with objects given inside the puzzle and have seen others do the same.

Okay HOW??! I've done everything myself including all stars and this one seemed so unsolvable to me that it forced me to go against what I thought was the games self-contained level solving rule and search for an external solution. I spent about an hour trying to solve it self contained

You have to pull the gravshifter to the other side through its own beam by placing it on top of the box. Send the box back across, swap it for the inverter, then pull the inverter across. From this side, connect up the red emitter to the blue receiver with the inverter, carry the gravshifter past the first open barrier, then send the inverter across from there to create the connection that swaps the barriers.

[LewisBavin]

Originally posted by dkamm65:

Originally posted by LewisBavin:

Okay HOW??! I've done everything myself including all stars and this one seemed so unsolvable to me that it forced me to go against what I thought was the games self-contained level solving rule and search for an external solution. I spent about an hour trying to solve it self contained

You have to pull the gravshifter to the other side through its own beam by placing it on top of the box. Send the box back across, swap it for the inverter, then pull the inverter across. From this side, connect up the red emitter to the blue receiver with the inverter, carry the gravshifter past the first open barrier, then send the inverter across from there to create the connection that swaps the barriers.

Ohhhhhhhh pull it through its own beam with a box, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Okay that's brilliant I'm gutted I didn't get that

[dkamm65]

It's definitely a sneaky one.

[mreed2]

The text description is good, buy if you want to see the solution:

https://youtu.be/35cKbt4B14Q?si=S3JOxwtQSiEJ0MuQ

[LewisBavin]

Originally posted by dkamm65:

It's definitely a sneaky one.

This is why I try to never take notice of the puzzle titles lmao

[Ap2000]

The difficulty of the golden door puzzles should have been the difficulty of the triangle puzzles. And the golden door ones should have been WAY more complex.

Originally posted by Nova Solarius:

The stars in the first game often required using parts from multiple puzzles, and I'm actually kind of disappointed that they mostly did away with that for the sequel. It was one of my favourite bits from the original.

iirc that was moreso a Gehenna thing.
I expect that to be the case again in the TTP 2 DLC.

[gamatecal]

Originally posted by Ap2000:

The difficulty of the golden door puzzles should have been the difficulty of the triangle puzzles. And the golden door ones should have been WAY more complex.

Originally posted by Nova Solarius:

The stars in the first game often required using parts from multiple puzzles, and I'm actually kind of disappointed that they mostly did away with that for the sequel. It was one of my favourite bits from the original.

iirc that was moreso a Gehenna thing.
I expect that to be the case again in the TTP 2 DLC.

There were a couple(?) in TTP1 base game that required using outside objects to get the star of a level. Though, never for its main solution for a sigil... I think.

Originally posted by LewisBavin:

Originally posted by Nova Solarius:

The stars in the first game often required using parts from multiple puzzles, and I'm actually kind of disappointed that they mostly did away with that for the sequel. It was one of my favourite bits from the original.

The majority of the Pandora stars require you to use different levels, having said that I am disappointed at the drop in difficulty of the stars in this game. The prometheus ones are a childish waste of time and the sphynx ones are too simple.

RE 'out of the box' I just wasn't expecting the game to throw me a curve ball like that right near the end when I'm nearly at 100 percent of everything.

I already miss a puzzle within a puzzle. Those were my highlights with TTP1. Also the reward for getting all stars in TTP2 was super underwhelming.

[Tachrayonic]

Instead of moving the Inverter using the Gravshifter, I put the Gravshifter into the path of the Inverter's Beam next to the Receiver. I suspect you don't need to block beams like that (or with your own body) for any puzzles, but that was the solution I found for a couple puzzles.

[ShnitzelKiller]

You can literally cheat this puzzle using only the gravshifter and the box. Point the grav shifter at the edge of the ceiling strip that leads to the finish (so that it is stopped by the top of the force field), put the box right against the force field under the gravity column, and then just jump up, and you win.

[joridiculous]

Originally posted by Nova Solarius:

The stars in the first game often required using parts from multiple puzzles, and I'm actually kind of disappointed that they mostly did away with that for the sequel. It was one of my favourite bits from the original.

In this game there is only One "star" that needs something used inside a puzzles, a connector behind a hidden door, and then the "driller" outside another puzzle.
(I don't count the normal pointing a laser to outer world connectors)

No puzzles (of any type) needs anything smuggled out.