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AntiSol Dec 7, 2023 @ 1:38am

Linux?

I really adored the first Talos Principle, was super excited to see there's sequel... but then disappointed to see no Linux version.

Croteam used to be on my "early and good Linux supporters, buy everything they do" list, but I haven't seen a native serious sam 4 yet, either. Which makes me sad :'(

Here's hoping that croteam will get back into form and give us the Linux versions we need for their awesome games. I for one will buy both the day they come out!

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MASTAN

Dec 7, 2023 @ 1:58am

It works on Linux just fine with latest versions of Proton, no need for native version. And I heard native Vulkan support of UE5 engine is not that good, VKD3D's DX12 to Vulkan translation is better.

joridiculous has The Talos Principle 2

Dec 7, 2023 @ 3:22am

https://steamcommunity.com/app/835960/discussions/search/?q=linux&gidforum=3843304884849041323&include_deleted=1

AntiSol Dec 8, 2023 @ 5:40pm

Oh cool so proton is officially supported then? e.g if valve decided to drop proton in say 3 or 5 years, I'll be able to get a refund, right? Who do I contact for support if there's an issue with the compatibility layer?

Thanks for the link, Joridiculous. I scanned through those search results again like I did before I posted, but I didn't see the info I was looking for - If you could point me more specifically to the official statement where they say proton is fully supported and I can expect it to work under Linux, and expect technical support or a refund if it doesn't, that'd be super helpful

MASTAN

Dec 9, 2023 @ 2:25am

Originally posted by AntiSol:
Oh cool so proton is officially supported then? e.g if valve decided to drop proton in say 3 or 5 years, I'll be able to get a refund, right? Who do I contact for support if there's an issue with the compatibility layer?

What if Linus decides to drop Linux kernel support? What if your Linux distrib maintainers decide to drop it? What if Valve decides to shut down Steam? That's all useless questions, you're using software as-is and agreed to EULAs even if never read them.
GPL directly states that you don't have warranty of any kind. Welcome to the real world.

Proton and other GPL software are open-sourced and can be forked and supported by other people even if Valve drops it. No one will guarantee anything still.

AntiSol Dec 9, 2023 @ 6:17am

Lol, someone doesn't understand some core principles.

Originally posted by MASTAN:
What if Linus decides to drop Linux kernel support?

It'll be forked, because it's open source.

Originally posted by MASTAN:
What if your Linux distrib maintainers decide to drop it?

I'll switch distros.

Originally posted by MASTAN:
What if Valve decides to shut down Steam?

They'll lose billions.

Originally posted by MASTAN:
That's all useless questions

In your opinion.

Originally posted by MASTAN:
you're using software as-is and agreed to EULAs even if never read them.

This is a very debatable statement on many grounds, but in lieu of getting into a long discussion, I'll just say that contract terms don't take precedence over laws.

Originally posted by MASTAN:
GPL directly states that you don't have warranty of any kind.

The Talos Principle 2, Serious Sam 4, and Steam are not GPL licensed, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make?

If your point is about Linux having no warranty, then my response is: "yes, and that free software project also gives full refunds to 100% of its dissatisfied customers"

Originally posted by MASTAN:
Proton and other GPL software are open-sourced and can be forked and supported by other people even if Valve drops it. No one will guarantee anything still.

So you're saying that there's no officially supported Linux version of these commercial products that I'd like to purchase, then? If that's what you're saying, then my original post stands: I can't wait until there's a Linux version, and I for one will buy it on the day it comes out.

Have a nice day! :)

MASTAN

Dec 9, 2023 @ 7:16am

You can wait for eternity then. The general trend is to stop providing native Linux version since Proton works very good and native versions just mean additional costs. Some devs even removed existing native Linux builds of their games because of that.

e.g if valve decided to drop proton in say 3 or 5 years

You answered yourself in the end:

It'll be forked, because it's open source.

wirroj

Dec 9, 2023 @ 3:08pm

Yeah it works on Linux, play it or don't.

SMJSMOK

Dec 9, 2023 @ 4:06pm

Originally posted by MASTAN:
And I heard native Vulkan support of UE5 engine is not that good, VKD3D's DX12 to Vulkan translation is better.

Yeah I suspect this is the main reason. It was the same with Everspace 2. Linux version was planned, but since the bad UE Vulkan implementation meant that the native version would be performing much worse than Proton, they decided to scrap it and focus on Proton instead. And to be honest, I don't blame them in this case. Why put resources and effort into an inferior native port that nobody would be using anyway?

AntiSol Dec 9, 2023 @ 9:04pm

Originally posted by SMJSMOK:
Originally posted by MASTAN:
And I heard native Vulkan support of UE5 engine is not that good, VKD3D's DX12 to Vulkan translation is better.
Yeah I suspect this is the main reason. It was the same with Everspace 2. Linux version was planned, but since the bad UE Vulkan implementation meant that the native version would be performing much worse than Proton, they decided to scrap it and focus on Proton instead. And to be honest, I don't blame them in this case. Why put resources and effort into an inferior native port that nobody would be using anyway?

Aha! Useful information! Thanks so much! :D

I hadn't heard about this, and now the decision makes some sense at least.

...wait - UE5? I'd just assumed it would be on the serious engine. Huh.