The Talos Principle 2

The Talos Principle 2

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Vaxxman💉 Nov 12, 2023 @ 7:18am
[STORY SPOILERS] Thinking about the endings in ttp2 and RtG
First off, I want to stay away from the discussions that compare the plot from the first game and the second game, or which game was written more cleverly etc. I just wanted to know everyone's thoughts on how the endings of RtG may relate to the new game.
Spoilers on the quotes that Elohim says in RtG will also be in this.

In all endings of RtG, Elohim tells you a little parable of sorts about the relationship between a city called New Jerusalem in paradise and its relationship to the dead who built it. I had some really fun time thinking about how each of the quotes related to each of the endings you can get in RtG (like "Where is my friend, for I hear the echo of his voice but I cannot see him" when Admin lets you have his spot in the upload and dies as the simulation is deleted ), and I think what all quotes have in common is the fact that everyone who doesn't make it out of the simulation is seen as among of the sacrifices that have to be made in order for a new city, an "eternal city" to be built. I think it was supposed to be comforting to hear that the characters which grew on you are still around in some way.

There is one ending quote which deals with the idea of salvation, as there is no heaven nor hell, "only the earth". I thought that quote was most in line with teasing what will happen in ttp2, since it is the one quote that looks into the future, not into mourning and remembering the past.

Quote below for reference:
In a vision, I saw a prophet and he said, “There is no heaven and there is no hell. There is only the Earth and the bones of the dead within.” I asked, “How then may we find salvation?” and he said “You must build a New Jerusalem.” Out of the bones of the dead we built a golden city, but salvation is not immortality. In the end, there is only the Earth and to the Earth we all return. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

I found that quote to be dealing with the idea of mortality as a part of life really pretty, since I interpret it to mean that the goal is not to become immortal but to find meaning in what you do. And this is what bugged me a little bit in ttp2, because some implications and some struggles certain main characters encounter about the future of humanity.

An idea I struggle to agree with in ttp2 is that there is a need for humanity and life on earth to exist forever. I feel like that would remove the boundaries which shaped us organic humans so much, that whatever evolved from it wouldn't feel human anymore. How can you appreciate life, when you cannot die sort of way. I have seen a lot of people calling the endings stupid because not choosing to use Athena's machine feels like only postponing what is going to happen anyways , and I get that notion, but I don't think that criticism deals with the underlying ideas enough. I actually think resigning to destroy the machine, and in a way, agreeing to end humanity as the earth expires in the distant future is among the most human decision you can make.

But then again I may be reading into this too much. Elohim's final voice lines in RtG do sound like quotes straight up from some holy scripture and should be taken with a truckload of salt.

How do you all read RtG endings in relation to ttp2?
Date Posted: Nov 12, 2023 @ 7:18am
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